Windows 10 is available today, are you going to upgrade today?
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Windows 10 is available today, are you going to upgrade today?
I will start with my laptop, download and install it. According to the "compatibility report" everything is good, apps and hardware. After that, if i like it, will upgrade the desktop to windows 10. What about yourself? Also does anyone wonder why MS has suddenly made this free for all users to upgrade to? Call me paranoid but i wonder if there is an ulterior motive to this "freebie".
Yes. It sounds like a great improvement.
Red
Hard to be the only guy in the room selling a product everyone else is giving away for free.
AIUI, It’s a one-time free upgrade for Windows 7/8 users, w/ a 1 year window. After that, it’ll be bundled w/ machines as it was, or one can buy licenses.
Reasons for Microsoft to do this:
- reduce market fragmentation — they especially need to wean people off Windows 7
- spur adoption and increase market share (slight variation / expansion of the above)
- they need to kill off botnets, moving home users to a version which forces and pushes down updates w/o user intervention or the chance to opt out will help a lot
- they want a captive audience to test patches for business users
Apparently they’ll be working out some way to have various iterations of Windows 10, as Apple does w/ Mac OS X, w/ specific time frames for support and update eligibility. One won’t be able to buy a single machine / license and upgrade the machine for forever and never buy a new license / upgrade for it.
Not updating immediately — got burnt out on being an early adopter, and I only do beta-testing when I get a software license. I’ll be waiting until a couple of people at least have reported good success on the machine in question.
Already running for about one(+) month on my laptop and it works lots better than the Windows 8.1 that it had before. My wife's laptop has Windows 7, so it will stay the same, we like 7 much more than 8.1 or 10.
EDIT: to say... the update procedure is my only gripe so far. For those of us on metered connections it really complicates life.
I have Windows 7 and am happy with it.
This constant updating is a pain on all devices. What I have works well for me.
The worst update was the recent Android phone update to Lollipop. It took me days to get things straightened out. The same happens for every Windows update.
Grumble....Grumble.....Grumble
I think so. I signed up for the download a few weeks ago. I see no reason NOT to do it for the laptop I use the most. By the way, here at work we use Windows 7. It will probably be 5 years before our IT department is ready to go to Windows 10
No, not crazy. Version 10.1 perhaps, but never a .0 release of any software if I can possibly avoid it.
Absolutely. They have blown it the last 5 times. It seems certain they will get it right this time!
Actually I just checked and they tell me to wait until notified.
We currently have (3) Windows 7 computers and (1) Windows XP computer. As these computers are currently running everything we need them to (not much more then Microsoft Office) we aren't planning on upgrading.
PHM
How long will it be till the people that have reserved a copy for Windows 10 can download it ? Seems as though the Beta testers get first crack at Window 10. We talking days, weeks ???
I just ordered a new computer with Win7 Pro 64-bit on it. I'm not interested in V10 at this point and the guy building the computer advised against it, too. I learned from previous Windows versions that it's best to let a few hundred thousand other people test it first and wait through a couple of version updates before diving in.
I am in no hurry to upgrade. I have had very bad luck with upgrading Windows in the past. The system never ran right until I did a clean install of Windows. If I do anything it will be a clean install probably on a new SSD as I only have an 80GB right now. There is a good chance I will stick with 7 on this PC and just wait for 10 until I get a new PC down the road.
My understanding is that Microsoft will release the upgrade in stages to avoid overwhelming their servers. It would make sense that those who helped test the product would get first crack at downloading the final product.
For a Windows 7 machine, if you envision continuing to use it past January 14, 2020 ( http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle ) you should consider finding a way to get the Windows 10 update while it's free and archiving an installation of it — if that’s possible. I’m looking into doing that on my son’s Windows 7 gaming machine.
I plan to upgrade, but probably not today. I'll wait a little while.
Mike
THIS!
I just spent several hours getting my shop computer straightened out last week after 24 windows updates that were important were installed. Wi-Fi connection stopped working, which is my link to all my files that are in a home server so I can access the same file from the shop or inside our house. No internet access until Wi-Fi was sorted out, no Corel Draw files or laser files until then. I do not allow automatic install of files as I have in the past had something in the works on Corel Draw maybe and while the file itself would be saved any changes to it had not been. Come back to find a rebooted computer because "windows installed updates that required rebooting your computer to install".
Don't mind that so much but I do mind lost time or aggravation caused by something that happens because something decided to do something without my knowledge or readiness.
Short answer is NO.
will wait and see. Too many software programs that need to work when I need them to only to find out my embroidery machine software (which is the only way to communicate with the machine) no longer works, and we have work to do now - at midnight. I had to wait to replace a computer until the laser driver I need was updated to 64 bit because it was our understanding the one we had wouldn't work on a newer computer. Windows 7 Pro in the shop and 4 years old & Windows 8 > 8.1 upgrade about 1-1/2 years old.
I guess I need to wait until I get an email with a link or something. I was hoping it would just be there and download.
Red
No, I'll wait until a 10.1 release at least. The real beta test begins today with the 10.0 release. For OS X I wait for a .2 or .3 release.
My understanding is that today is the day it will START to roll out. Some will get it today, while others will not get it till later. I never did see where they were saying they would be finished with the automatic roll out. I would assume it might take a week or two to get it to everybody. If you think about, that's about the only way it can be managed. There are not enough servers in the world that could handle downloading something as huge as this upgrade to every windows computer in the world. For those of us waiting for our turn, we just need to be patient.
Not a chance. I might eventually, after at least the first service pack, once they have worked out all of the inevitable bugs, but I'm in no hurry to upgrade. I hated everything about 8.0 and 8.1 and I have no interest in any of the 8-ish features that are in 10.
I'm on it right now. Works great, easy install.
I bet 10 has more patches than a quilt. I am sticking with 7 until I can't.
I am very Leary of MS giving anything for free, there has to be a catch somewhere.
I thinking October or November for me. Seems like a good project for Thanksgiving holiday. Maybe while the wife goes black Friday shopping. (Not really, she did that once, and swore to never do it again!)
I have so much crap on my computer to get rid of! I am going to clean house before upgrading.
I have a windows 8.1 sitting as a spare that I will try it on first. It has just the OS on it
OK My laptop is now running windows 10 after about 2 hours of downloading and installing. Its a dell laptop and I have the image from windows 7 as my escape plan.
dennis thompson,
I should mention first that I use computers for 2D and 3D CAD, graphic design, research, and writing projects- work .
Especially, when a version of Windows is first released, I'm inclined to wait for the first SP and know that the drivers are stable.
It's an odd thing that Microsoft is giving away this new version- there's a scent of desperation about it. Microsoft has had some poor versions- Windows 95 was for me the worst as it had sudden catastrophic failures- the registry disappeared four times. Windows 98 was an improvement but XP-Pro 64-bit may have been the best version ever- a great combination of automated system tasks and a simple, intuitive interface. Vista was simply not very attractive but the revamp to Windows 7 was very promising, but it took advantage of faster systems and pushed the unnessary accessories and features. I say "pushed" as the "themes" were made very resource hungry and the B'asic" theme was made intentionally ugly so the other ones would be used.
Anyway, so far, with Windows 10, I don't see the practicality of using it- at least until 2020 when Win 7 will no longer be supported. The main problem is the extreme bloat of what I call "fuzzy bears"- supposedly helpful accessory programs, but that in my view only rob the (expensive) performance. What's the use of expensive graphics cards- and they can cost up to $5,000 (Quadro M6000)- when so much performance is thrown away on an elaborate interface. Microsoft has unattractive interfeces - sorry bad typing- they never learn from Apple or Linux design nor that throwing things at the user is not the same as convenience. It may be that I can't find a screen shot of Windows 10 that allows using Windows 7-type icons, but there is no possibility of my fitting 75-80 "Tiles" on the desktop. Plus, I would have a migraine seeing a solid mosaic of that multicolored jumble and including the temperature and the news. With Windows I turn off every process that's not essential, especially updaters and refuse to run very resource- hungry themes. I ran benchmarks (Passmark and Cinebench) on Windows 7 and the graphics performance was 25% higher without the Aero theme, animated windows, and transparency enabled.
Windows 10 is said to have 7% or so better performance than Windows 7, but there's 30% more junk- sorry conveniences- to haul and from me it's impossible to look at.
No Windows 10 for me.
Alan Caro
1. HP z420 (2015) > Xeon E5-1660 v2 six-core @ 3.7 / 4.0GHz > 32GB DDR3 ECC 1866 RAM > Quadro K4200 (4GB) > Intel 730 480GB (9SSDSC2BP480G4R5) > Western Digital Black WD1003FZEX 1TB> M-Audio 192 sound card > 600W PSU> Logitech z2300 > Linksys AE3000 USB WiFi > 2X Dell Ultrasharp U2715H (2560 X 1440) > Windows 7 Professional 64 >
[ Passmark Rating = 5064 > CPU= 13989 / 2D= 819 / 3D= 4596 / Mem= 2772 / Disk= 4555] [Cinebench R15 > CPU = 1014 OpenGL= 126.59 FPS] 7.8.15
Pending upgrade: HP /LSI 9212-4i PCIe SAS /SATA HBA RAID controller, 2X Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB (RAID 1)
2. Dell Precision T5500 (2011) > Xeon X5680 six -core @ 3.33 / 3.6GHz, 24GB DDR3 ECC 1333 > Quadro K2200 (4GB ) > Samsung 840 250GB / WD RE4 Enterprise 1TB > M-Audio 192 sound card > Linksys WMP600N PCI WiFi > 875W PSU > Windows 7 Professional 64> HP 2711x (1920 X 1080)
[ Passmark system rating = 3490 / CPU = 9178 / 2D= 685 / 3D= 3566 / Mem= 1865 / Disk= 2122] [Cinebench 15 > CPU = 772 OpenGL= 99.72 FPS] 7.8.15
Some test images- future renderings- from a current project:
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I was on the wait list. Checked this morning and the download was 53 % complete (2+ GB). One hour later and the update went slicker than owl snot! So far I really like Win 10. Was on Win 7 Premium before.
Jack
Microsoft is completely willing to kill the people that buy consumer electronics "computers" from places that aren't authorized to sell computers. These include Best Buy, Staples, Office Depot, etc.
HP z420 and the Dell T550 are actually computers, even low-mid range Workstations. They still come with Windows 7 since it actually works. I just ordered 3 z420 & 2 z230 computers today. They will be running several hundred thousand dollars worth of software from accu-build.com, b2wsoftware.com, agtek.com, chiefarchitect.com, dispatchingsolutions.com.
My personal z400 from 2010 works great, even though it is driving $7000 worth of monitors through 2 v5900 video cards.
Hard to believe that the same company that makes Server 2012r2, SQL 2012 & 2014, Exchange 2013 also makes garbage like Win8. When they sold earlier garbage like Window 98 and ME, they were VERY clear that it was not to be used in a business but consumers just didn't listen. No point in even looking at WIn10 for at least 6 months.
I did it at lunch today. I could always go back to last nights image if I had to but so far its working fine here. My Windows Home Server 2011 backup was complaining until I ran through the wizard again but after that I did a manual backup and it completed fine. I may put an old drive in my laptop over the weekend and attempt a restore for piece of mind.
Haven't messed with the new browser or Cortana. Not super crazy about the privacy policy there.
Greg R Bradley,
I think that most people using a computer seriously for work- not gamester armchair alien killers, snapchatty tweetlings, or completely googleyed facebookies- will agree that there needs to be separate sets of tools for working and a set of toys for playing. MS is touting Windows 10 as the forever OS that does everything for everyone on every platform- but only as long as it's on a portable device. The goofy tiles interface is made to be readable when they're 1/2" across- they're ridiculous 4" wide on a 30 " 12-bit color-corrected monitor.
One problem with Microsoft seems to be that they seem to miss the biggest trends until they're too late. this happened with the Internet- Mosaic and Netscape took over the browser world and MS playing catchup had to make Internet Explorer integral to XP such that removing it would hobbled the entire OS. My recollection is that there were lawsuits - perhaps it was a portion of the anti-trust case-and MS had to de-integrate by court order. Now, as Samsung and Apple walk away with the mobile OS world, MS- probably frightened to the core by the Apple watch-and the rapid shift to mobile devices is again playing desperate catchup and is so frightened it's making Windows 10 completely mobile-centric and giving it away to try and get back in the running. In my view, it's the same story as with IE, they're too late and this time the response is not a reasonably good browser but a kind of mushy inbetweener solution that will end up not pleasing the smart phone crowd well and the dwindling but hard-core desktop / workstation side is going to revolt. I talk to a lot of architects, engineers, the local linear accelerator and wind tunnel and no one is getting Windows 10 in any definite way. The greatest enthusiasm is "we'll see" and the least enthusiasm can't be printed here. Linux as an open platform is evolving much faster, more intelligently, and more aesthetically than Windows and finding it's way increasingly into home NAS servers and it seems likely that there will be a flavour in a very few years that will significantly wean the server /workstation users off Windows.
Workstations: I've had very good results with Dell Precisions: 390, T5400, T5500 and HP- I have 2-z420's , the E5-1660 v2 / Quadro K4200 and my 2013 one, E5-1620. I feel the Precisions have a higher build quality and a somewhat better design and support, but the HP's have been ultra-reliable.
My next system I think is going to be a Supemicro Superworkstation:
http://www.supermicro.com/products/n...orkstation.cfm
These are interesting as you buy a chassis with PSU and motherboard, so you just plug in the CPU's / RAM,. GPU, and drives. The Supermicro motherboards like the X10 dual LGA2011-3 are among the highest perorming and they're server quality. The Superworkstations have a lot of drive bays- even hot swap on a couple of the models, and are supposed to be very quiet.
May I ask what kind of work you are doing? Isn't or wasn't Beck (replica Porsches) in Upland?
Alan Caro
Has anyone upgraded to 10 today that was not on the waiting list?
Just wondering how long a wait to upgrade.
I need a laptop but in store is all 8.1. with free upgrade. I understand 10 will be free for one year. What happens if I buy a 8.1, upgrade to 10 then in 3 years need to reinstall 10. Will 10 be free for me then or will I have to restore to the original 8.1?
Mike,
If you are on Win 7 I believe you go to control panel, then system, then you should see a way to check on update. If you are set to auto setup and are on the waiting list then just leave it connected to the internet and on and it should snag it for you.
Jack
Alan,
I have a variety of interests, the one I was referring to is a heavy construction business.
I know, or rather knew, Chuck Beck well for many years when he was in Upland the first time, then he disappeared to Brazil trying to manufacture the Speedster Replicas in Sao Paulo, then came back to Upland and was in a tiny shop next to the entrance to Cable Airport. We worked together on an article for European Car Magazine, then he moved to Atlanta and I lost track of him. We had a number of plane related friends. I still fly with a couple of his old friends but they lost track of him when he left the area also. He became much more well known after he moved to Atlanta.
If he ever offers to give you a ride in a car, just say NO! He's very good but also a bit nuts!