Red vs. White vs. other Oak sp.
Can some of you shed some light on what you consider the chief differences between red and white oak? (Are there others available? Black, maybe?)
I know there is a color difference but for those of you that have worked both, what did you find you like/disliked about each species?
My wife has suddenly discovered quartersawn oak. She was never a fan of flatsawn oak and therefore not an oak fan but she saw a qs oak kitchen display at the San Jose Home/Garden show yesterday and was like, "What is that wood? That is pretty cool!" She was shocked to find out it was oak and learned something about how lumber may be cut from logs and how it can look very different. :)
Red vs White vs Other Oak
I've used lots of both white and red oak in the past and white oak is my favorite mainly because of it's outside use.
1. Yes, red = straw.
2. The easiest way to tell the difference between the two (according to Hoadley, Identifying Wood, pages 103-104) is by looking at the rays on the outside of the board. Red oak rays will be absent or sparse and almost always less that an inch. White oak rays will be abundant and many of them are over 1 1/4 to 2 inches long. The "rays" in this case, look like pieces of black thread and are straight.
I've always had great luck with this method but even Hoadley says that the method is only 90 to 95% reliable. The exceptions are longer or shorter rays and by checking for tyloses (cell that you can check on the end grain using a hand len).
3. Both red and white oak (and red/white cedar, redwood and some other) wood contains tannic acid which will stain the wood if normal screws/nails are used. (Even seen cedar siding with the stain marks dripping down from the nail holes). In the past, tannic acid was used for tanning animal hides and ink (wonder if that is where the word tannic came from?)
Because of that, stainless steel screws/nails are recommended or something with some type of plating such as double zinc or double galvanized. For the above woods, I use McFeely's "no-code-rode" and always counter sink and plug them. Lot more work but no problems so far (and some white oak and cedar outside for over 10 years).
4. Again, according to Hoadley, "some of the major of the red and white oak groups" are:
Red: Scarlet, Southern, California black, Pin, Northern and Black
White: White, Swamp, Oregon, Overcup, Bur, Sessile, Chestnut, European and Post
Some of the ones missing from his list (from the internet) are Live, Cherry Bark, Gobbler Sawtooth, Nuttall, Water and Willow. I have no idea if they are red or white.
5. One of the posts mentioned Live Oak. I seem to remember that one of the woodworking magazines said that they were called "live" because the leaves stayed on the tree throughout the winter and finally fell off when the new leave grew back. People complained about them because they had to rake the leaves even during the winter.
I also remember that they are/were used for boat building and lots of them were planted way back when along the southern shores to assure a good supply of it for future boat building.
Regards, Joe
My face is "red" - or is it "white"?
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Originally Posted by Jim Becker
Just the opposite, Dale. Red = "straw"
Jim,
Thanks! How old do I have to get before I learn SOMETHING? :confused:
Aw Heck - on SMC I don't gots ta no nuttin' - I jus ask!! ;)
Dale T.