Summary List of Member's Shop Characteristics

[Frank Pellow]

I decided to summarize the information contained in the "what the Size of your workshop?" thread (http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=10114) in a table. I will update the table as additional posts are made to that thread or to this one. You can also send me a private note with corrections and information for the summary if that is easier.

A table containing the information (in descending order of area) appears in post #2 in this thread. It was last updated on the 28th of September, 2004.

I have already had one benefit from constructing this list. I was able to show Margaret (my wife) that the shop she considers to be very very big is in the lower portion of the list that is ordered by size.

[Frank Pellow]

<TABLE cellpadding="5" BORDER="1"><TR><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Name</TD><TD>Max Height</TD><TD>Shape</TD><TD>Area</TD><TD>Other Info</TD></TR><TR><TD>001</TD><TD>Ducharme Robert</TD><TD>16 to 22</TD><TD>50x100 + 1,000 - office</TD><TD>5,000 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building with 6,000 sq ft on two levels </TD></TR><TR><TD>002</TD><TD>Clardy Steve</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>56 x 64</TD><TD>3,584</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>003</TD><TD>Stube Steve</TD><TD>adequate ?</TD><TD>28 x 46 (2 stories)</TD><TD>2,688</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>004</TD><TD>Lutz Martin</TD><TD>13.5 cathedral</TD><TD>32 x 50</TD><TD>1,600</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>005</TD><TD>Bush John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>1,560</TD><TD>2 floors of Recycled old barn</TD></TR><TR><TD>006</TD><TD>Baker Jim</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>32 x 48</TD><TD>1,536</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>007</TD><TD>Breen ED</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>30 x 50</TD><TD>1,500</TD><TD>Pole barn</TD></TR><TR><TD>008</TD><TD>Quiram Terry</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>32 x 44</TD><TD>1,408</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>009</TD><TD>Browning Larry</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>30x30 + 12x12</TD><TD>1,260</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage, loo, etc.</TD></TR><TR><TD>009</TD><TD>Burch Todd</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>30x40</TD><TD>1,200</TD><TD>Detached garage with no cars. Storage in attic</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Hatfield Terry</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>30 x 40</TD><TD>1200</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Peacock Dennis</TD><TD>12 cathedral</TD><TD>30 x 60</TD><TD>1,200 (for shop)</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>010</TD><TD>Right Dave</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>30 x 40</TD><TD>1,200</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>014</TD><TD>Lang Ed</TD><TD>10 (about)</TD><TD>28 x 42</TD><TD>1,176</TD><TD>Separate building with 12'X42' shed on side for storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>015</TD><TD>Hale Brian</TD><TD>7 and 8</TD><TD>29x39 (also 7x14 storage)</TD><TD>1,131</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Abele Don</TD><TD>8 and 10</TD><TD>11x21 + 12x25</TD><TD>1,120</TD><TD>Attached garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Bachler Mark</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>28 x 40</TD><TD>1.120</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>016</TD><TD>Smith Gary</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>28 x 40</TD><TD>1,120</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage </TD></TR><TR><TD>019</TD><TD>Bulken Ned</TD><TD>16 (and 7 in loft)</TD><TD>24 x 26 (in main shop)</TD><TD>1,1000 (about)</TD><TD>Bay in commercial business incubator with loft at end</TD></TR><TR><TD>020</TD><TD>Lucas Mike</TD><TD>9' 4"</TD><TD>32 x 32</TD><TD>1,024</TD><TD> In separate 32 x 60 building</TD></TR><TR><TD>021</TD><TD> Todd Jerry</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>25 x 50</TD><TD>1,000 (for shop)</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>021</TD><TD>Lounsbury Dar (site 1)</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>20 x 25 (about)</TD><TD>500 (about) of 1000</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>-------------- (site 2)</TD><TD>7.5</TD><TD>20 x 25 (about)</TD><TD>500 (about) of 1000</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>023</TD><TD>Baird Joe</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>25x25 + 11x30</TD><TD>995</TD><TD>Basement with garage door for outside access</TD></TR><TR><TD>024</TD><TD>Mages Dan (site 1)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18 x 30</TD><TD>540 of 968</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>---------- (site 2)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>12 x 24</TD><TD>288 of 968</TD><TD>Garage shared with car</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>---------- (site 3)</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 14</TD><TD>140 of 968</TD><TD>Shed</TD></TR><TR><TD>025</TD><TD> Meiser Matt</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>30 x 32</TD><TD>960</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR>
<TR><TD>026</TD><TD>Johnson Bob</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>13x28 + 12x22 +12x17 + 6x15</TD><TD>922</TD><TD>Basement. 4 rooms divided by open stud walls</TD></TR><TR><TD>027</TD><TD>Baumgartner Dean</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>30 x 30</TD><TD>900</TD><TD>Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>027</TD><TD>Christopher Keith</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>30 x 30</TD><TD>900</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>029</TD><TD> Mortenson Mike</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>28 x 32</TD><TD>896</TD><TD> Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Bell Roger</TD><TD> part ? cathedral, part 8</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD> Separate building with extra storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD> London Andy</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20x24 + 14x16 + 10x16</TD><TD>864</TD><TD> Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Outten Keith</TD><TD>9.5</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD>Separate building. Shop office upstairs</TD></TR><TR><TD>030</TD><TD>Risley Brad</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 36</TD><TD>864</TD><TD>12 x 24 of this shared with tractors </TD></TR><TR><TD>034</TD><TD>Prondzinski Thomas</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>26 x 32</TD><TD>832</TD><TD>Part of garage, separated by wall from car</TD></TR><TR><TD>035</TD><TD>Hitt Norman</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>25 x 32</TD><TD>800</TD><TD>Separate building with additional attached storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>035</TD><TD>Reda Bob</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 40</TD><TD>800</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>037</TD><TD>Singer Mark</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>22 x 36</TD><TD>792</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>038</TD><TD>LeBail Fred</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>25 x 31</TD><TD>775</TD><TD>2nd floor of garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Mioux Joe</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD> Garage and shop with separate attic storage </TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Renzetti John</TD><TD>9</TD> <TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD>Separate building. Also separate 3x20x9 wood storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>039</TD><TD>Russell Rob</TD><TD>6.5</TD><TD>24 x 32</TD><TD>768</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>042</TD><TD>Fitzgerald Ken</TD><TD>9' 7"</TD><TD>24 x 30</TD><TD>720</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>043</TD><TD>Raines Donnie</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>26 x 26</TD><TD>676</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>044</TD><TD>Voorhess Fred</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18.5 x 36.5</TD><TD>675</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>045</TD><TD>Harris Ted</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>21 x 31</TD><TD>651</TD><TD>Remodelled attached 3-car garage with office above</TD></TR><TR><TD>046</TD><TD>Pellow Frank (site 1)</TD><TD>10 cathedral</TD><TD>11.5x33 + 6x17 (fat T)</TD><TD>482 of 642</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>---</TD><TD>------------ (site 2)</TD><TD>7' 4"</TD><TD>8 x 20 (about)</TD><TD>160 (about) of 642</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>047</TD><TD>Obie Nick</TD><TD>9</TD><TD></TD>25 x 25<TD>625</TD><TD>DC and compressor outside</TD></TR><TR><TD>047</TD><TD>Cresti Paul</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>25 x 25</TD><TD>625</TD><TD>Attached garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>049</TD><TD>Naronzniak Greg</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>11x23 + 11x32</TD><TD>605</TD><TD>Attached 2.5 car garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>050</TD><TD>Becker Jim</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>21 x 30 (broken by stairway)</TD><TD>600 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building with empty upper floor</TD></TR><TR><TD>051</TD><TD>StPeter Jay</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>14x31 + 10x16 L</TD><TD>589</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Garlock Ken</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Separate building </TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Guy Jim<TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>McDonaugh Dennis</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Merlau Larry</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Part of garage with no cars -rest is storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Parr Dick</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>052</TD><TD>Salisbury Ken</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>24 x 24</TD><TD>576</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>058</TD><TD>Hoffman Nathan</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>22 x 26 minus notch</TD><TD>530 (about)</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>059</TD><TD>Worrel Bob</TD><TD>10.5</TD><TD>22 x 24</TD><TD>528 (about)</TD><TD>Separate building shared with garage and 2nd floor storage</TD></TR><TR><TD>060</TD><TD>Crick Stewart</TD><TD>9.5</TD><TD>22 x 23</TD><TD>506</TD><TD>2.5 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>061</TD><TD>Cox Steve</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>20 x 25</TD><TD>500</TD><TD> Attached garage with no cars </TD></TR><TR><TD>059</TD><TD>Lawson Denny</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>22 x 22</TD><TD>484</TD><TD>Attached garage shared with cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>062</TD><TD>Valentine Carole</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>22 x 22</TD><TD>484</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>064</TD><TD>Cori Kent</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>21 x 23</TD><TD>483</TD><TD>2 car garage shared with cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD> Ketron Jim</TD><TD>8 and 10</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD>Page Bruce</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>065</TD><TD>Stafford Michael</TD><TD>8.5</TD><TD>20 x 24</TD><TD>480</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>068</TD><TD>Bumbalough Phil</TD><TD>8 (about)</TD><TD>19.5 x 23</TD><TD>448</TD><TD>Attached 2 car garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>069</TD><TD>Hanna Kelly</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>20 x 22</TD><TD>440</TD><TD>Attached garage -with car when it hails</TD></TR><TR><TD>070</TD><TD>Blaine Richard</TD><TD>9-10</TD><TD>18 x 24</TD><TD>432</TD><TD>Attached to back of garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>071</TD><TD>Hancock John</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>20 x 21</TD><TD>420</TD><TD>A little over half a detached 3.5 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>072</TD><TD>Montgomery Aaron</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 26</TD><TD>416</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>073</TD><TD>Cioffi John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 20</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>Garage (Is it shared with cars?)</TD></TR><TR><TD>073</TD><TD>Sproul Tim</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>20 x 20</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>075</TD><TD>Nedeljko Mathew</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>19 x 21</TD><TD>399</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>075</TD><TD>Padilla Chris</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>18 x 20-24</TD><TD>396</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Fitzsimonds Roger</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>Detached barn with computers upstairs</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Konopka Rich</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Lanman Travis</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>077</TD><TD>Summers George</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>16 x 24</TD><TD>384</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>081</TD><TD>Heppeard Greg</TD><TD>8 to 12 cathedral</TD><TD>17 x 22</TD><TD>374</TD><TD>With an adjacent 5x22 porch</TD></TR><TR><TD>082</TD><TD>Diemer Jack</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>364</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>083</TD><TD>LaRussa Tom</TD><TD>8' 4"</TD><TD>18 x 20</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>2/3 of 3 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>083</TD><TD>Trantham Byron</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>18 x 20</TD><TD>360</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>081</TD><TD>Harbin Pete</TD><TD>8' 3"</TD><TD>17' 9" x 19' 3"</TD><TD>341</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>086</TD><TD>Reid Earl</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 24</TD><TD>336</TD><TD>Separate building</TD></TR><TR><TD>087</TD><TD>Leetch Bart</TD><TD>7' 8"</TD><TD>13.5 x 24.5</TD><TD>327</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>088</TD><TD>Benkin Ellen</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>17.5 x 17.5</TD><TD>306</TD><TD>2 car garage -70 years old</TD></TR><TR><TD>089</TD><TD> Leshner Ken </TD><TD>?</TD><TD>12 x 25</TD><TD>264</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>090</TD><TD>Weber John</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 21</TD><TD>294</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>091</TD><TD>Turner Alan</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>14 x 19</TD><TD>266</TD><TD>Basement -two rooms</TD></TR><TR><TD>092</TD><TD>Shaffer Dave</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>12 x 22</TD><TD>264</TD><TD>Garage with no cars</TD></TR><TR><TD>093</TD><TD>Bischel Wes</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>15x18 less a 4x6 corner</TD><TD>250 (about)</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>094</TD><TD>DeHut Chris</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>11 x 22</TD><TD>242</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>095</TD><TD>Battagler Shawn</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>12 x 20</TD><TD>240</TD><TD>Half a 2 car garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>096</TD><TD>Shiverdecker Bruce</TD><TD>7' 1"</TD><TD>10 x 21</TD><TD>210</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>097</TD><TD>LaRue David</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8 x 20</TD><TD>160</TD><TD>Basement</TD></TR><TR><TD>098</TD><TD>Hovde Bob</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 14</TD><TD>140</TD><TD>Addition to a garage</TD></TR><TR><TD>099</TD><TD>Monahan Pat</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>11' 8" x 11' 8"</TD><TD>137</TD><TD>Unheated shed (in Windsor Ontario)</TD></TR><TR><TD>100</TD><TD>Samuelson Wade</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>8 x 16</TD><TD>128</TD><TD>Attached to garage. Shared with freezer</TD></TR><TR><TD>101</TD><TD>Johnson Ray</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 12</TD><TD>120</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>102</TD><TD>Morris Ralph</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>10 x 10</TD><TD>100</TD><TD>-</TD></TR><TR><TD>103</TD><TD>Zimmerman Keith</TD><TD>?</TD><TD>3 x 4.5</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>Walk-in closet</TD></TR></TABLE>

[Chris Padilla]

Frank,

A couple tricks I learned when posting tables:

(1) Use the preview button to see how things will look
(2) Elimnate all spaces and lines...cram everything together so it is almost impossible to see anything and edit it
(3) Keep a separate file of all the html coding in Notepad or Wordpad and use cut and paste
(4) Keep playing with the preview to find other little nuances.
(5) Also, when you edit the original post, you won't find your html commands, just the table itself...replace it with your saved file in (3) because if you directly edit it, it will be moved down in spacing.

The reason you have problems with tables is that you are posting under another html command (I forget the name of it) and it messes up the spacings so you need to elimnate all the lines or many of them.

Doing that Bessey GB thing was quite challenging. You might just post an Excel spreadsheet if you don't want to deal with it.

[Frank Pellow]

I have decided not to maintain this version of the table any longer.

[Frank Pellow]

Table? Where's the table?

It's there. I expect that you did not look down far enough. There is a lot of empty space before the table that I can't figure out how to get rid of. Any help from HTML experts would be appreciated.

[Jim Becker]

You can add that my shop is also a separate outbuilding, although fomerly a 3 1/2 car garage. (Building is 21' x 44' total) It has an unfinished upper floor, if that is relevant.

[Chris DeHut]

Thank for the chart. When we setup our shop for filming the magazine, we found that the typical shop (at the time of our surveys) was about 10 x20. I can see that by the posters here, the typical (or average) shop is much larger. Perhaps it is time for us to re-do our studio to closer reflect that of home shops and make it BIGGER!

Chris DeHut

[Martin Lutz]

My shop is 32' X 50' w/ catherdral ceiling. Max height 13'6". It is a seperate bldg and also has 12' X 50' lumber storage.

Thanks for putting this together the info is very interesting.

[Jim Becker]

Chris, I'm not sure that the "average" shop is a lot bigger. Remember, that the sampling that Frank is working from is a) not scientifically/statistically valid and b) there are a number of "pros" and more-than-serious woodworkers represented on the list. I think that your "one car garage" setup is probably more in line with the true majority of hobbyist woodworking setups, even in the total SMC membership community which is currently thousands of people, rather than the few dozen that responded to the original thread as well as additions in this one. What you might consider doing is adding considerations to the projects, such as, "If you have a shop larger than our typical one-car garage area, you can (do something a different way)..."

[Wes Bischel]

Thanks for compiling this Frank, that's a lot of work.

I'm not surprised to find my basement shop would be near the bottom - 15' x 18' with a 4' x 6' cedar closet notched out of one corner - roughly 250 sqft. It works for me - hopefully - if I get to building it, a play room will stand next to it so I can entice the little man into the shop and building things at an early age.

Wes

[Dave Right]

I responded to that thread and am on page 4 of the thread but did
not see mine listed. I'll get over it. Just kidding.
For the info -- my building is separate 30 x 40 - 2 story 8 ft ceiling and wish they were 10 ft.

[Chris Padilla]

Dave,

You said two floors?? Wow! Start notching those joists! Ha, ha...j/k....

[Dave Right]

Wish I had found this forum before I built it 2 years ago! I would have done things different.

[Steve Clardy]

Looks great Frank. My ceiling height is 10'

Steve

[keith zimmerman]

So, do I win an small award for having the smallest space?

keithz