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    Exterior Wood Glue

    Ok making an exterior entry....made plenty of doors before but first time exterior.
    What is your suggestion for exterior wood glue, PUR or PVA (type 1)?
    What brands have worked well for your?

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    I would use either Tite bond III or Gorllia WOOD Glue. Both are excellent outdoor glues. I have used both the gorilla dries faster and cures clear, it would be my choice due to the clear drying factor.

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    I would say Titebond III or epoxy. I am building some large exterior doors and have decided on epoxy for both strength and longer open time.

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    Epoxy. It is waterproof, which is good for outdoor stuff. And it can have a long time to cure, which is very useful on big glue-ups. It is somewhat expensive, but if you're only building one that doesn't matter much.

    I generally use epoxy from System Three. I get it at a chandlery down the block, but I think Woodcraft sells it.

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    Epoxy is great for the long open time. It gives you ample time to square everything up. I like West Systems Epoxy.

    TBIII is also a good choice. However, it doesn't give you a lot of time to get the clamps on and square everything up.

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    you don't have any exposed glue surfaces on a door really, since the tenons and mortises are all hidden.

    but regardless of that, here's the forest product labs adhesive report...

    http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/fp...tr113/ch09.pdf

    In the long term, wood, adhesives, and bonded products
    deteriorate at a rate determined by the levels of temperature,
    moisture, stress and, in some instances, by concentrations of
    certain chemicals and presence of microorganisms. Long-term
    performance is equated with the ability of a product to resist
    loss of a measured mechanical property over the time of
    exposure. A durable product is one that shows no greater
    loss of properties during its life in service than wood of the
    same species and quality.

    Many adhesives in bonded products have decades of documented
    performance in many environments. Thus, it is
    possible to predict with a high degree of certainty the longterm
    performance of similar products. Well-designed and
    well-made joints with any of the commonly used woodworking
    adhesives will retain their strength indefinitely if the
    moisture content of the wood does not exceed approximately
    15% and if the temperature remains within the range of human
    comfort. However, some adhesives deteriorate when
    exposed either intermittently or continuously to temperatures
    greater than 38°C (100°F) for long periods. Low temperatures
    seem to have no significant effect on strength of
    bonded joints.

    Products made with phenol-formaldehyde, resorcinolformaldehyde,
    and phenol-resorcinol-formaldehyde adhesives
    have proven to be more durable than wood when exposed to
    warm and humid environments, water, alternate wetting and
    drying, and even temperatures sufficiently high to char wood.
    These adhesives are entirely adequate for use in products that
    are exposed indefinitely to the weather (Fig. 9–12).
    Products well-made with melamine-formaldehyde,
    melamine-urea-formaldehyde, and urea-formaldehyde resin
    adhesives have proven to be less durable than wood.
    Melamine-formaldehyde is only slightly less durable than
    phenol-formaldehyde or resorcinol-formaldehyde, but it is
    still considered acceptable for structural products. Although
    considered less durable, melamine-urea-formaldehyde is also
    accepted in structural products at a melamine-to-urea ratio of
    60:40. Urea-formaldehyde resin is susceptible to deterioration
    by heat and moisture (Fig. 9–12).

    Products bonded with polyvinyl acetate and protein-based
    adhesives will not withstand prolonged exposure to water or
    repeated high–low moisture content cycling in bonds of high
    density woods. However, if they are properly formulated,
    these adhesives are durable in a normal interior environment.
    Some isocyanate, epoxy, polyurethane, and cross-linked
    polyvinyl acetate adhesives are durable enough to use on
    lower density species even under exterior conditions, but
    exterior exposure must be limited for most of these. Some
    elastomer-based adhesives may be durable enough for
    limited exposure to moisture with lower density species in
    nonstructural applications or in structural applications when
    used in conjunction with approved nailing schedules. Polyurethane
    adhesives that chemically cure and still remain flexible
    are among the most durable construction adhesives.

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