Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 19 of 19

Thread: spalted box elder bowl and a blank cutter

  1. #16
    Dust mask should do. Knock off the bark to get rid of the spores, that's where the fruiting bodies are. What you see are the "roots." It'd be pretty poor reproductive practice for an organism to hide its spores in wood, waiting for a turner to spread 'em.

    Now, there are a bunch of toxins in that wood, where the fungus has been trying to defend its meal from competing bacteria and vice/versa. Been that way for billions of years. That's where we get antibiotics.

    If you feel tightness in the chest or an itch, get thee some Benadryl, pronto!

  2. #17
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Weber City Va.
    Posts
    2,508

    Thumbs up

    Thanks for all the kind comments Men

    Hey Steve thats some good Q's I dont mind at all post all you guys want its what the forum is for
    Jim

  3. #18
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Katy, TX
    Posts
    757
    Ok, since Jim has given us the green light...

    Steve,

    When I started turning, I was using those white filter type masks that cover your mouth and nose. For a while they seemed to be "good enough" and they felt like they were doing a pretty good job... It wasn't until I started turning some of the nastier stuff like Jarra burl, Cocobolo, Bocote, etc. that I realized it wasn't enough. I realized I was sucking dust around the mask where it wouldn't quite seal and only noticed it because these woods had more of an effect on my respiratory system than the domestics.

    From there, I went to a Binks half mask with cannister filters. While this was a definite improvement in air quality entering my lungs, they are hot (especially combined with the legendary South Texas summer heat), they don't work well with full face shields, and they are tiring to wear for long periods as your lungs have to work to pull air through them.

    I finally settled on a 3M Airstream AS400 PAPR (10cfm). While not cheap, they are good at what they are designed to do. They provide comfortable respiratory, head, eye, and optional hearing protection and are relatively cool to wear (all of which I wanted) . Field of vision is good, with no distortion. They seal around the face (as opposed to having a hood) and due to positive pressure are not dependent on a 100% airtight seal to provide protection. The battery clips on your belt and lasts quite a long time on a charge (at least 8-9 hours). The headgear is well balanced, and does not bother my neck even after long stretches of use.

    Another thing you will hardly ever see discussed in conjuction with protection from wood dust is the dust generated by grinders during the sharpening process. This didn't even cross my mind until I saw it discussed on another forum about a year ago by a gentleman who had respiratory problems and was diagnosed by doctors to have a significant quantity of aluminum oxide in his lungs due to years of sharpening turning tools. Dangerous stuff...

    This topic has been discussed some here before and there are several opinions on this subject, and I hope you get some more. From what I understand, there have been some mask type filters come on the market recently that do a better job than that of their previous generation. There are also respirators available from both Trend and Triton that warrant a look see. The most important thing is actually wearing whatever you decide to get. If the device you get gives you any reason not to wear it, you probably won't.

    I'll refrain from publically identifying any specific vendors out of respect for the forum rules, but if you want to PM me, I can point you at a few.

    For me it was a no-brainer. I could spend a little extra now and protect myself from these dangers, or I could spend a lot more later with doctors and still suffer the long term effects. Just my 2 cents

    Cheers,
    Brad

  4. #19
    Well, you're talking about two phenomena here, most likely, and attributing all to the dust. The masks are pretty good at excluding dust, but the oils in the wood in question - the natural insecticides and fungicides - can get right through. That's probably why you got relief from the cannisters - organics are adsorbed by the charcoal. I Imagine comfort would be quite a problem in Texas climate, but don't talk to me about difficulty breathing through the mask until you've done a couple hours in a HEPA mask with a TB patient!

    Unfortunately, the information on the "dangers" of wood dust have failed to make this distinction as well. Particulate danger is extrapolated from data on inorganic irritants like asbestos and silica; there is no pathologcal data on encapsulation or scarring based on wood dust, an observable factor in the carcinogenicity of both inorganics. Further, there was no attempt made to control the data by separating the population using solvents and finishing chemicals (or even smokers!) from those merely exposed to the dust. Chemical irritation can be powerful, its negative effects can be almost instantaneous, and can provoke anaphylaxis, an immediate threat to life. Prolonged exposure to chemicals from smoke, wood, finishes and so forth can diminish lung function to a point that our reserve pulmonary capacity, reduced by the loss of elasticity brought on by aging can result in emphysema and pulmonary insufficiency.

    Fortunately we can clean the air brought to our noses or haul away the offending substances as produced, pretty easily. We can collect and expel irritants or use positive pressure breathing devices like the one you use. Some use both. Then they get contact dermatitis from the oils coming in contact with their skin!
    Last edited by George Tokarev; 11-12-2004 at 2:27 PM. Reason: proofreading

Similar Threads

  1. Small spalted cherry bowl
    By Michael Stafford in forum Turner's Forum
    Replies: 15
    Last Post: 11-06-2004, 10:14 AM
  2. Box Elder Bowl and Segmented Pen **PICS**
    By Ken Salisbury in forum General Woodworking and Power Tools
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 05-14-2004, 6:07 AM
  3. Spalted Norway Maple "Snifter" Bowl
    By Jim Becker in forum General Woodworking and Power Tools
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: 04-06-2004, 9:27 PM
  4. Salad anyone, spalted alder bowl. Pics
    By Dave Smith in forum General Woodworking and Power Tools
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 01-10-2004, 6:21 AM
  5. Spalted Box Elder Burl Bowl
    By Glenn Hodges in forum General Woodworking and Power Tools
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 10-07-2003, 12:53 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •