I can only think that they could absolutely minimize the machining on their planes (not the shoulder plane, of course, but maybe the bench planes) to make them cheaper.
Maybe make nothing on them machined other than the bed and the sole, but some of them are already close to that.
I think it's probably just not possible to make accurate tools much cheaper than they do in the days of huge taxation, compliance and employee benefits costs. That overhead is still there no matter the price level, and spending less on the plane makes the balance of keeping the lights on and paying the fixed costs too high a % of the plane cost.
I've got no clue on shoulder planes and how to get them cheap other than just getting one small one and substituting a reasonable old beech rabbet plane for most things. I paid asking price for the two shoulder planes I have, but as I get more moulding planes I use the shoulder planes less and less. I can usually find a good beech rabbet plane, skew or straight, for about $15 down here.
>>I'd love to see veritas come up with a functional equivalent to a set of hollows and rounds.<<
Wouldn't we all. Since Larry Williams released a video pretty much giving up the entire bag of secrets, it seems like it's a better idea to make them, but even making them isn't that cheap if you want to make an entire half set.
After I ended up with a genuine factory made cigar shave, I realized why the one I made was so easy use. The original has to be sharpened with a flat on the outside radius of the cutter, while mine is sharpened on the inside radius, and has no external flat. All I did was machine the center of the body so the outside of the cutter and the main body are the same diameter.
Jr.
Hand tools are very modern- they are all cordless
NORMAL is just a setting on the washing machine.
Be who you are and say what you feel... because those that matter... don't mind...and those that mind...don't matter!
By Hammer and Hand All Arts Do Stand
So i guess I'm the only one who would like to see a stop chamfer plane with beader. Can you guys over at Lee Valley make me just one, number it 1/1, and all sign it ? Also I'd like to keep it under $300.
rob,
what are the chances the tucker vise will be back in the near future?
cheers,
M
Hi Michael -
Depends on what you mean by "near"...
Tooling alone would be at least 12-18 months from pulling the trigger...
It's a really big investment too. Sitting behind each new tool that "pops" out, is hundreds of hours of design, tens (or hundreds) of thousands of dollars in tooling, and the raw material for at least a year's worth of sales. We have to prioritize our development schedule to keep our capital working, and to generate cash flow to bootstrap the next batch of new products. It's a lot more difficult than it looks.... and makes for careful choices....
Cheers -
Rob
Some years back I once worked for a shop on the wet (west) coast of Canada where we made high (very high) end joinery. The price of Western Red Cedar got so high that we found it was cheaper to buy purple heart for the window and door frames. Apparently it has the same anti fungal properties as Red Cedar... Ironic that it was cheaper to buy wood from Mexico than it was from our own back yard...
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Doesn't bubinga come from the third world, too?
There are some awfully nice pallets of exotic wood that come through peebay for a dollar a board foot or so - prices that wouldn't happen in the US if someone had to find it, mill it and dry it.
I think it's a fine choice of cost / appearance / durability.
What would I like to see? A 20 degree bed BUS plane with the tote tilted forward five degrees or a little more and a 45 degree design of the same thing with the frog machined directly into the body and the adjustable mouth - single thick iron still, bevel down instead of bevel up.
I am assuming this is a MF's Cigar shave, it has no name on it, and a previous owner has soldered a brass insert into it as the blade was worn down so much that the mouth opening became too large. And the holding screws would not be usable anymore.
This shows the blade on my version.
And this is the adjustable mouth opening I came up with.
If Rob Lee wants to use my design, I am sure we can work out some kind of arrangement.
Jr.
Jr.
Hand tools are very modern- they are all cordless
NORMAL is just a setting on the washing machine.
Be who you are and say what you feel... because those that matter... don't mind...and those that mind...don't matter!
By Hammer and Hand All Arts Do Stand
How about a proper striking knife - like:
http://adamcherubini.com/Layout.html
Granted - the "modern" knives are good. But I'll bet that LV can take the classic and bring it into the 21st century as a "modern classic".
bd