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    color filling partical board plaques

    Can someone tell me if particale board plaques can be color filled and if so what is the best way to do this?
    Thanks to all

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    George,
    You can color fill those plaques but they are covered with vinyl and you don't want to laser vinyl. If you do it anyway, you can either mask and fill with spray or brush on acrylic paint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary Hair View Post
    George,
    You can color fill those plaques but they are covered with vinyl and you don't want to laser vinyl. If you do it anyway, you can either mask and fill with spray or brush on acrylic paint.

    Gary

    One of my favorite plaques is JDS Hi-Gloss Mahoghany, so I went back to the catalog to see if is said laserable, nope not laserable.

    I've been doing these for awhile, about 20 a month will a gold fill, they look great. Sooooo... is this something I should avoid?


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    Marty

    There is no reason not to do them. It's just particle board under the veneer.
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    That's good they are a nice looking plaque that is reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Null View Post
    Marty

    There is no reason not to do them. It's just particle board under the veneer.
    IF they are veneer then it's ok but I haven't seen a particle board plaque that wasn't covered with vinyl - definately NOT ok to laser.

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    Partical Board Plaques

    Gary,

    Why are plain particle board plaques not okay to laser? I've not read or heard that they were on the "Not To Laser" list like PVC.

    I don't do particle board plaques anyway - as I like to stick with the real thing; but in case I needed to go a little cheaper for a customer.

    Acrylic paints or even lithochrome (expensive) are great for filling in. LaserBits sells Fill Paint as well. I've not had the best luck with it as I have had with good acrylic paint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Swift View Post
    Why are plain particle board plaques not okay to laser? I've not read or heard that they were on the "Not To Laser" list like PVC.
    If you mean lumber yard particle board cut into plaques then there is no problem. If you mean the cheap particle board plaques that have "simulated wood grain", then they are covered with PVC. It's not the plaque, it's the covering.

    I wouldn't want to breathe the fumes from particle board, or mdf for that matter, but neither one are much worse than plain wood, it's just the adhesive that makes them a bit nastier than wood.

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    Particle board really says to the recipient: You aren't worth real wood in your award, we'll give you mashed sawdust instead. The first time you drop it, you will really see what we thought of you!

    Mark (no particle board in 35 years... not one.)
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    Gary

    I'm surprised you haven't tried these HGM plaques (I sold over 1000 last year) or, for that matter, the piano finished plaques which I think are also particle board.

    Get a sample or two of the HGM's they are fantastic.

    I went for 10 years without selling the vinyl covered particle board then it came down to keeping a good school account or losing them.
    Last edited by Mike Null; 08-03-2010 at 1:11 PM. Reason: add'l
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Winlund View Post
    Particle board really says to the recipient: You aren't worth real wood in your award, we'll give you mashed sawdust instead. The first time you drop it, you will really see what we thought of you!

    Mark (no particle board in 35 years... not one.)
    Then the same could be said for crystal and acrylic.

    I guess then a dented wood plaque or broken crystal would make them
    feel better when the drop it. The nerve to drop a plaque I labored over!

    The problem I'm sure we all face, is that not everyone has budget for
    full wood plaques, crystal or silver plated cups. I have made some very nice awards from composites
    and as Mike said the HGM from JDS is really nice. I've slacked back on those because of availabilty issues.

    I have a few clients that feel that way about plates, "these aren't engraved, they are just painted"
    Sometimes it's all about presieved value and the presentation. I'm sure many many of the recognitions never
    make it to a wall, but live their life in a closet, basement or attic


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    The simulated wood and marble plaques that JDS sells is a polyethylene foil, not a vinyl. They stated on the phone that their marble-look plaques are not laserable because the foil tends to bubble and can lose its adhesion along the edge of the engraved areas.
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    We wouldn't be able to stay in business with out particle board plaques. I'd say 50% of our plaque business is particle board plaques.

    Hardwood plaque is somewhere in the $6-10 neighborhood typically. Another $6-8 for a nice plate. That's roughly $15. Turning around and selling that for $40-50 results in no profit. I'd say I spend close to 15-30 minutes with a walk in customer on a plaque. Although it might only be a $50 plaque, it means a lot to them and they take up A LOT of time. Once they finally leave, it takes another 20 minutes to actually sit down, engrave, and assemble the plaque. All said and done, although it only cost me $15 for the plaque, I spent almost an hour of time on the job.

    Again, if I only sold hardwood, I'd be out of business. I charge $40-50 for a HGM or laminate plaque with a brass coated steel plate with a custom engraved boarder. My total cost is in the $5 neighborhood. At that cost structure, it is worth dealing with walk-ins.

    I have to be honest, I'm surprised so many people do color filling. I honestly believe it is one of the least cost effective methods of doing a wood plaque. I do like the look of them, but I don't see how it's cost effective unless you dramatically increase the engraving price. I can cut a piece of black brass, engrave a vector boarder and do all the text before you get half way done with engraving directly into the wood & mask. When you consider then you have to paint fill after that, I just don't see the profit.
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    Ross,

    It's quite simple, you charge more for a paint-filled plaque.
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    Engravin' Dave
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    Ross,

    I agree on the filled plaques, I do produce them as certain clients want them, but the are a headache.

    Some stuff is easier to do than others, my pricing doesn't always reflect how costly or difficult a job may be. Again I say percieved value is a big
    factor.

    I do show a larger variety of options as well as custom work at many price points. This gives the client and idea of what I can accomplish. It makes the
    show room a bit nicer than just the standard things everone has.

    The next part is selling... when I find out what they like or need then I can "guide" them through the process. I have had some clients that just
    can't make up their minds and would talked and wander all day if I let them.

    That's where the selling and time management comes in, to work with your customer
    to quickly come to a resolution. Not always easy, as I to have had clients take up a half hour for a $10 plate.


    Marty
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