prices of used tools!

[Larry Browning]

So, If someone offers for sale an item that is still in its original shrink wrapped box and never used, is that still considered used just because it not for sale by a store? Would you expect the price to be less than what the store was getting?

[Brian Elfert]

So, If someone offers for sale an item that is still in its original shrink wrapped box and never used, is that still considered used just because it not for sale by a store? Would you expect the price to be less than what the store was getting?

ABSOLUTELY I would expect the price to be less.

Why: The warranty may be expired, or I may not have a receipt to get warranty coverage. Most sellers would want cash and if I went to a retail store I could typically use my credit card for extra protection. No ability to make a return if the item is DOA. If I am going to pay full retail I expect all the perks that go along with paying full retail at a retail store.

I bought a new in the box Milwaukee Saw-Z-All for about 25 to 30% less than retail a few years back. The guy said it was a gift he didn't want. I have no idea if that was the truth. He could have stolen it for all I know.

[Larry Browning]

So, then if the seller takes the item back to the store and gets a refund, and the store puts it back on the shelf, you then expect to pay full price? Would you expect the store to refund the full price to purchaser?

BTW: I am not trying to imply any sort of opinion as to what my expectation is. It is just an interesting topic.

[Joe Angrisani]

So, then if the seller takes the item back to the store and gets a refund, and the store puts it back on the shelf, you then expect to pay full price?

Yes, if he's in the market for a new item at a store with a warranty.

Would you expect the store to refund the full price to purchaser?

Yes, if that's the store's policy.

[Jim Koepke]

The pricing of used tools is strange.

Look at good quality chisels from a century ago. Some of them are selling for more than they did when new, but less than a new chisel of equal quality would cost today. That one can be racked up to inflation.

Often items are listed on ebay as some rare item that is priced way too high. If someone is going "sucker fishing" they only need to find one, right?

Sometimes there is an up-charge for the rust and parts "lost to history."

My bank book would look a lot better if some of my tools were listed for "sucker fishing."

If they are ever sold, the listing will have to be named after an old Clint Eastwood movie, "The Good, Bad and the Ugly." It is amazing how bad off those planes are, but they still do some fine work.

Maybe charge for the unbroken parts and throw in the rest for free.

jtk

[Larry Browning]

Yes, if he's in the market for a new item at a store with a warranty.




Yes, if that's the store's policy.
What if the store has no return policy and all we have to go on is what would be fair?

I know that is all true, but it sure seems like things are really skewed to the customers favor. But I suppose that's the American way, and we as consumers(buyers) have come to expect it.

[Brian Elfert]

I would probably never buy anything new at normal prices from a retail store that didn't offer a return policy unless I couldn't get the item anywhere else. If the price was clearance or some sort of liquidation store and the price was marked down significantly I would probably accept a no return policy. (Exceptions would be special order items.)

I like the ability to simply return a DOA item to the store for another one. No paying to ship it to the manufacturer and waiting for it to be fixed or replaced and shipped back again.

[Jim Matthews]

What makes you think your depreciation numbers are anything other than a WAG? A tool is "worth" whatever people are willing to pay for it.

True enough. Those of us with a remotely active curiosity can check the prior sales numbers at IRSauctions, OWWM, Woodnet etc.
The issue is with sellers that have seen one too many episodes of The Antiques Roadshow presuming that because it's old, it's rare.

The secondary presumption is that because it's rare, it's valuable.

There's lots of obscure, worthless trash on Craigslist.
Like I said, it's either at my price or I don't bother calling.

Any seller that says "Price negotiable" and won't establish a starting point is wasting my time.
Money I've got, what I can't get more of is time.

Craigslist sales like this define time sucks.

[Larry Browning]

All my questions are purely hypothetical I was just trying to figure out what was actually the "fair" thing to do. It seems to me that stores are getting the raw end of the deal in most cases when it comes to returns and resale of those things. But they have to do it because the competition does it. Isn't free enterprise a wonderful thing?

[ken masoumi]

Alright ,let's have fun a bit with this thread.
When looking for used tools in places like CL,I categorize the prices in 4 types:
1= PRICE TO SELL,the easiest one to spot since it's seems most reasonable.

2=PRICE TO NEGOTIATE ,prices like $325 or best offer,you know seller is betting on $300.

3=PRICE TO FEEL THE MARKET,or in other words "I'm looking for a sucker who will pay this much" ,these prices usually get reduced after a couple of weeks.

4=PRICE NOT TO SELL,like "I'm really attached to this tool,it's 5 years old but looks brand new still, it has many years of use left on it why shouldn't I try to sell it as close as possible to a brand new one? ,I'll convince the potential buyers that it has only seen a few hours of use,all the problems with it(manufacturer'ss defects/recalls,shipping damages) has been ironed out and you don't pay the taxes and fees. if it does not sell,I'll gladly keep it.

It is reasonable to assume that we all would like to see the first two types,we value our time and our money and look for deals that both sides walk away content .
The last two are the ones to avoid since it's nothing but frustrating experiences/waste of time and even if you close the deal you may still walk away scratching your head and asking yourself "was that a good deal or did I just got ripped off".
Folks ,please don't take this too seriously,I'm just thinking out loud.

[Lynn Floyd]

I have always heard and have said myself that anything is worth what someone will pay for it, but I really feel that we are in the realm of philosophy here. If someone pays a few thousand for a dovetail machine from the 1880's, it doesn't magically become valuable. It was and still is junk. The buyer can get his money's worth neither through use or re-sale. He simply paid more than it was worth. I buy new when I can. When I can't I try to know as much as possible about the machine and price and more or less use the thumb rule of half new price. I speak with experience about paying too much.

[Brian Ashton]

I know being in Canada we generally don't get great deals like most of you who live in the USA but sometimes I don't understand what the sellers are thinking when they ask 75% to 85% of the price of a new tool.

Is it because they think we should also pay for their personal attachment to the tool they are selling or is it simply a lack of understanding of the used tool market value?

I just had an interesting conversation via emails with a seller of a tool who wants only $50 less than the price of it brand new!
I politely passed on it but wonder if what I'm seeing lately is becoming more common ,as far as I remember the rule of thumb for the price of a used power tool used be between 40% to 60% of its brand new price depending on the condition of the tool of course.

What is your recent experience in buying and selling used tools?
I'll be very interested in reading your responses.

You think it's bad there Australia is way worse. I wish I could have back what I came to expect in Canada.

I mail order everything, and have for years now - even the vacuum cleaner came by post... I'd mail order the groceries and gas if I could figure out how to do it!

They have a bazaar mentality here in that if someone is selling x for $xx.xx everyone thinks it's too expensive and they in no uncertain terms tell them as such... But if the very same people that rage over the price they were to pay have x in his/her hot little hands they have no compunction to demand the same as what the other guy/girl was trying to get and they'll swear it's worth every penny and more - and! that I'm getting the bargain of the century... And it's funny cause they'll leave up for sale for years if they don't get what they want! There is absolutely no middle ground here.

Gouging is so bad here the federal government has just ordered Apple, Adobe and some other giant in the technology field to testify before a panel on why they're deliberately gouging australians.

[John Coloccia]

All my questions are purely hypothetical I was just trying to figure out what was actually the "fair" thing to do. It seems to me that stores are getting the raw end of the deal in most cases when it comes to returns and resale of those things. But they have to do it because the competition does it. Isn't free enterprise a wonderful thing?

The only time I return something is when I buy it and it's junk, i.e. it doesn't do what it says it does. If a store sells be a table saw, for example, and the fence is warped, then I don't care if it cost $10 or $10,000...it's going back. If the store doesn't want to deal with returns, it should only carry products that work. Well, if they only carry "good" products, they won't make any money. OK, fine. They'd better factor returns into the equation, then.

There's some amount of people scamming the system. I worked part time at my local Woodcraft for a couple of years. Yeah, people steal stuff. Yeah, people return products because they're idiots and they don't know what they're doing. I'll tell you, though, that our "defective" bin was never empty. Most of the returns I saw from dissatisfied customers were products that were well and truly defective.

The "return everything" mentality has come about because stores HAVE to have liberal return policies....because they sell garbage and no one would dare buy anything from them anymore if they didn't. We've essentially turned into the quality control department. Manufactures crank out product and package it as cheaply and quickly as they possibly can, and then the consumer gets to waste time figuring out if the product actually works or not. Under these conditions you'd better have a world class return policy or no one will ever buy from you again.

[Tom Fischer]

I agree with others. I had an old Rockwell contractor TS, did well by me, but I ran it pretty hard.
When I got my PM 2000, I gave the Rockwell to my neighbor. No charge.
There is some aura about "they don't make 'em like they used to"
Maybe that is true for old real IRON, like Tannewitz or Oliver.
But a lot of stuff was made like junk years ago, and still is (like my old Rockwell)

[Mike Cogswell]

So, then if the seller takes the item back to the store and gets a refund, and the store puts it back on the shelf, you then expect to pay full price? Would you expect the store to refund the full price to purchaser?

BTW: I am not trying to imply any sort of opinion as to what my expectation is. It is just an interesting topic.

In most places an item cannot be resold as new once it has been sold once. Whenever possible I buy factory refurbished tools since they very often are actually brand new, never used, and come with a factory warranty. The computer I'm typing on was a returned item that I got a great price on despite the fact that it had never even been opened. Even my golfclubs (and my wife's) were bought from the Callaway pre-owned site. If you buy a "like-new", so far every one we've received was actually new and unused.