Milwaulkee 5625 or PC 7518 with Pro Lift?

[Allen Bookout]

I have been looking for and searching for a while on this forum for information on a table - router set up. I had just about decided on the Milwaulkee 5625 and a HF iron table for a combined cost of about $500. I have two other Mil products and they are impressive. Two things give me pause. One is that I saw a report on Amazon, rating the tool, that the screw shaft part of the above the table adjustment is of poor design and depends on plastic parts which fail when used frequently. The other is that it appears to me that some features are just not as handy as the Pro Lift set up and I just cannot believe that the lift mechanism is as good as the Pro Lift.

Right now I see that I can get the PC 7518 for $260 and the Bench Dog 40-016 for $295 for a total cost of $556. I do realize that I would be out the cost of the table but I should be able to make that for a small cost.

My though is that for $56 more dollars I would have a better set up with the Pro Lift and the PC. Is the PC as good a router as the Milwaulkee?

Any imput from the community?

Thanks! Allen

[Fred Ray]

Allen, the Pc 7518 is one HOSS of a router. Works beautifully in a table, but is a little heavy for hand held use. I own 3 PC routers and wouldn't trade any of them for a Milwaukee.

[Keith Outten]

Allen,

I have a PC 7518 that I use on my CNC Router. The 7518 has been very popular but I have been reading lately of a very large group of ShopBotters who are complaining about overheating problems. It has been suggested that Porter Cable has started using lower quality bearings and the collet and bits are getting very hot, in some cases the entire rotor/armature is also heating up beyond reasonable temperatures.

You might want to do some research before you select a PC router these days.

[Steve Cox]

After lots of research I just bought the Milwaukee for a router table application. I have not built the table yet but I just went and looked at the lift mechanism. There are some nylon pieces but the adjustment screw and associated parts are all metal. The lift part works smoothly and there is a rubber flap to help keep it from getting clogged by debris. As I looked at the router, I can see that Milwaukee took several of the annoyances and problems that a PC has with table applications and engineered this router to address them. In short, I'm impressed and think it will work just fine without an aftermarket lift.

[Michael Ballent]

The PC routers seem to pretty much own the router market, almost all the third party accessories that come out are designed to work on PC routers, just look at the collars that are out there, they are for PC routers and pretty much everyone else has accepted them as the default collar. That being said, the Mil router was designed to be hung from a table from the beginning, if I remember correctly, there are protections in place to help keep dust out of the router while it hangs. I actually plan on buying the Mil router for my router table someday.

As far as the report from Amazon, remember that you have to read all the reviews and not just focus on a single person's opinion. I usually look for the number of stars given to a tool AND the number of people reporting it. I would trust a rating of 5.0 stars from 10 people over a 5.0 star rating from 1 person.

[CPeter James]

I went through this last winter and ended up with the Milwaulkee and find that it works just fine. For the difference in money ($300+/-), I am far more than satisfied. BTW: I don't buy lower quality tools just because they are cheaper. If a lower cost tool will do the job, it gets loooked at, but I usually end up with the highest priced tool in a group.

CPeter

[Allen Bookout]

Keith, I checked out the shoplotters forum and you are right. It seem as though Porter Cable is having bearing problems. It could be that Fred got his routers before the bad bearings started being used. I would bet ten to one that the problem bearings are manufactured in Asia.

Steve, thanks for looking at yours for me. Good information.

Michael is right. Most accessories seem to be made for the Porter Cables. That is what makes the decision harder. However I sure do not want to go through the hassle of dealing with a bad tool.

Thanks CPeter for your feeling on the subject! A more than happy user makes it easier to shell out the bucks.

I am just going to hang around for a while and see if anyone else has more information or impressions.

Allen

[CPeter James]

I have played with the fancy lifts a little bit. All those scales and numbers don't seem to mean much. I make a rough setting, make trial pass on a scrap, tweak a little, repeat, and it takes me about two or three test cuts to get where I want to be and I work with a dial caliper in this tyoe of thing or go for a flush fit on T&G work.

CPeter

[Ken Garlock]

Hi Allen. Last year I bought the Woodpecker PRL lift, I then bought the barebones PC7518 motor, from Rockler, to install in the lift. I also agree with Peter that the little dials only get you in the neighborhood, and some test cut are the real fine tuning.

My opinion is that you get a router, mount it in the lift and leave it there until it wears out. (Remember what you paid for this.)

[Dev Emch]

I have an older 7518 router and have not had any issues with it. But it predates all this new porter cable-black&decker outsourcing management jazz. Top quality bearings are expensive and high speed/high accuracy bearings are right up there.

On another note, I was spring cleaning and found some stuff I need to get rid off. I have a an old cast iron top and steel body from a powermatic 26 shaper. No motor an no guts. I was orig. going to build a router table out of it by attaching a bench dog lift to the underside of this thing. But alas, to many projects and not enough time. So if anyone wants to take over this project, feel free to email me an offer. It needs naval jelly cleaning and paint so its almost not worthwhile dorking with it in terms of what I can flee-baye it for all cleaned up.

[Keith Outten]

Allen,

I purchased my PC7518 last November. I'm afraid I will also be suffering a short bearing life as the collet and bit do get extremely hot in just a couple of minutes of free-running time.

Time to order the higher quality bearings I guess

[Dev Emch]

Keith...
That is not right. The 7518 is a flag ship router and frequently used in tables and gantry routers. In fact, most of the guys building linux/EMC homemade CNC routers are using the 7518.

Have you talked to porter cable about this? It would be nice to know how the PC deals with its hard core following these days.

Should you lose that bearing and should this be out of warrenty, your in for a shocker in more ways than one. A major bearing failure can take the temper out of the collet spindle and can also cause the wound router and commutator in the motor to bang against the stator windings or detroy or severely damage your brush pockets.

Look up your local industrial bearing supply house and order up some decent bearings. They will not be cheap. Just make sure you dont order ABEC class 7 or 9 bearings as these will cost more than the whole router combined.... EACH. Just make sure they are rated for 20,000 RPM continous service.

[Terre Hooks]

It is the router's responsibility to cool the bit?

The collet is getting hot from the bit. The bit is getting hot due to the bit construction, material being cut, speed of cut, etc.

The router is not causing the bearing(s), collet and bit to get hot.

[Allen Bookout]

CPeter and Ken, Good information! Thanks!

Thanks Dev for the 7518 report. It is interesting to note that your good one is a pre problem period model. It looks like that Keith was not so lucky. Sorry Keith!

From what I have heard so far it looks like the best bet for me is to go the Milwaukee 5625 route. I do not know what kink of inconviences I am looking at as far as bit changes for example. Could be that the built in lift device will lift it above the table enough or may be below the table operations are no trouble. I will have to try to find out more information on the Milwaukee web site. These are the kind of things that enter my mind with no experience using a router table. Any more information about the operation would be appreicated. Thanks! Allen

[Allen Bookout]

Terry, I just saw your response as you posted it while I was writing mine. Keith said his was getting hot while free running. Does not seem to apply to what you are talking about. I have seen simular reports on other forums. Allen