If the agent was unsure about how long you had a firearm in your shop, they could just wait until you closed and you better have anything that remains there properly logged. Whether it's been there 1 minute past closing time or 10 years, is immaterial and it needs to be entered.
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Last edited by John Kleiber; 07-20-2017 at 9:31 PM.
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Went to a gun show today and there was a booth for the ATF with 3 agents in it. I had a conversation with the senior agent and he said it's very simple. If you take possession of it, then you need an FFL. If you do not take possession (i.e. the customer stays and waits for it to be completed), then you do not need an FFL. He said there is nothing more to it. Take possession and you need the FFL, period, end of story, according to him. We spoke for about 15 minutes, and he was very knowledgeable about engraving Trust information and all that was required. I asked him about the phase "significant part of your business" and he said "You either take possession or you don't, it's that simple".
Take that for what it's worth (free information, 3rd hand, on the internet ).
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Scott - When you had your conversation did you differentiate between engraving fully assembled guns vs. just specific parts of a gun?. Thanks.
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One gotcha on that one... An 80% lower. For those who don't do this daily, an 80% lower can be mostly a block of aluminum shaped with only minimum drilling completed. Even though it's not spelled out in the code, my ATF agent told me outright it is still considered a weapon and thus needs to be tracked. If no serial number, I (as an FFL holder) have to insure it has one before leaving my shop. So if you have no FFL, an 80% lower even without a serial number is not allowed. Your mileage with another ATF agent may very.
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I used to hang out on AR15 dot COM those guys deal with the ATF all the time. Billet aliminum blocks pre-machined to 80 and even 90% are not considered weapons. They have posted official letters online received from BATF in DC.
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The point is, with all gun laws, it all depends on what day of the week it is, and what agent you are talking with.....
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Write a letter to BATF in DC or wherever and get it in writing. Your agent seems to be just winging it.
While a little reading on AR15 dot com says this, the Bureau does not recognize 80 or 90% billet receivers as such, but without a serial number they are not considered a receiver. Certain venders will furnish a copy of letter from the BATF stating their particular item is not a receiver and legal to ship and sell. In your case I would get something in writing before proceeding.
Last edited by Bill George; 08-27-2017 at 9:37 AM.
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Technically, unless you are selling or transferring it, a home-built firearm doesn't need to have a serial number.
Here is a link to a google search that has plenty of info about this topic.
https://www.google.com/search?q=does...obile&ie=UTF-8
Here is one link with actualy correspondence from a BATF agent - I give this a lot of credibility:
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2...emade-firearm/
Last edited by Gary Hair; 08-27-2017 at 10:16 AM.
I don't see it as any big deal. I do a lot of 80%-90% receivers, and none of my customers have had any problem with adding a serial number. I have never forced it, I just suggest they do for purposes such as theft. Serial numbers don't have to be complicated. For example one guy used his initials as manufacture and last initial + 1 for serial number (FBT T1). Most of these come in for the SAFE/FIRE/HELL + Caliber type engravings, I then throw in Manufacturer/Serial Number info at no additional cost. I think for most, it's a matter of pride to have their name engraved on it as Manufacturer.
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