well i do own a mm20 and a laguna 14 suv both are topnotch saws with the mm20 being the best the suv 14 is made in europe but not italy it is a beast of a 14" it can resaw 14" and not even stutter and make perfect veneer as can the mm20 and after seeing grizzly saws in action they are good saws but not even near what the mm and laguna are