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    Question Two mystery saws, ID?

    Have a pair of 8ppi crosscut saws. Both are marked on the medallion as Warranted Superior

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    This one is a straight back, open top. Full sized plate, but the tote seems a might small
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    And this one is a skew back, open top tote.

    Have to leave for work at the moment. Looking for some id as to what these are?

    All I have done to this is clean them up. Brass hardware is non-split nut.

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    As I understand it, Waranteed Superior was the down-scale version of a major maker's saws. Disston and others made saws with this badge to distinguish them from their name brand line. I just picked up one of these with a bunch of Disstons, and the medallion has W.S. an eagle, and Pat. Dec 2 1887. It's certainly usable, but it isnt equal in quality to the Disstons, mostly due to thinner plate. Any other identifying marks on yours?

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    Here's a snippet on this subject from the Disstonian Institute website:

    Q. Was "Warranted Superior" a Disston brand?
    A. Many saw makers going back to early 19th century England made medallions with the Warranted Superior (WS) label. It pre-dates Henry Disston (1819-1878) by at least a generation, possibly more. Use of the phrase is not limited to saws. A quick online search shows it was used in advertising for manufactured goods such as shoes and Remington pistols. Warranted and guaranteed have the same meaning, which is the maker's word that his product is superior. The claim is only as good as the word of the maker, if you think about it.
    Most English WS medallions have a crown and most American ones have an eagle. Later Disston-made WS medallions have the words "Warranted Superior," a circle of dots, stars at the three and nine o'clock positions, and appear with or without an eagle. Some feature a keystone instead of the eagle. The illustration of replacement medallions in the Disston 1906 catalog shows an eagle, the 1911 catalog has a keystone, and illustrations in the 1914, 1918, and 1923 catalogs feature a blank space in the center of the medallion. None are stamped with the name "Disston." Later medallions on some of the Keystone-brand saws (1935-1954) have eagles. An example of this is shown, left.
    Most of the larger American manufacturers made saws with both branded medallions and WS versions. The purpose would have been to differentiate between the products on which they put their name and lower-priced tools on which they chose not to put their brand name. The irony is that, in America, the Warranted Superior label often was put on the companies' inferior products. Many top-grade English saws have WS medallions while others have brand-name medallions.
    When you find an American WS saw, there may be a slightly less than 50% chance that it was made by Disston. Disston had a very large portion of the market, but it was not a monopoly. Atkins, Bishop, Jennings, Woodrough & McParlin, and Simonds (1900-1926) were a few of the large saw manufacturers that made saws with some form of a WS medallion with an eagle. Atkins' secondary line was actually labeled "Phoenix Warranted."

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    There is a Pheonix Warranted hanging in the lid of the new tool chest, a ships saw at that.

    Only other marks has been the ppi ones. Haven't found any etches.

    Maybe just list them as WS and call them crosscut saws?

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