Anyone else worried about Ebola?

[Pat Barry]

The CDC told the infected nurse it was OK to fly from Cleveland to Dallas even though she had a fever? I think the CDC is demonstrating the Peter Principle.

[Phil Thien]

The CDC told the infected nurse it was OK to fly from Cleveland to Dallas even though she had a fever? I think the CDC is demonstrating the Peter Principle.

If I had the CDC's clout (and budget) I'd have arranged an air ambulance or military transport. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to learn the CDC has a fleet of their own jets, here let me google this, stand-by, yep, they do!

[Mark Bolton]

I just happened to listen to a good podcast on containment last night. I'm not sure how to post the direct lino but I think this is the list page. A few down the list is the episode on containment rather than a cure.

http://www.sciencefriday.com/audio/scifriaudio.xml

[Phil Thien]

New data from WHO as of the 15th: 8973 cases and 4484 deaths in the three primary African countries.

Source: http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/1...t2014.pdf?ua=1

[Phil Thien]

I just happened to listen to a good podcast on containment last night. I'm not sure how to post the direct lino but I think this is the list page. A few down the list is the episode on containment rather than a cure.

http://www.sciencefriday.com/audio/scifriaudio.xml

This is a very interesting "listen." This reporter (she is an investigative reporter) says without containment/control, we could be looking at 1.4 million deaths by February. Rather than a rush for a cure, she says we need a rush for a quick test to identify the infected, and then quarantine those people.

While the #'s so far don't seem to back-up that 1.4 million claim, I do believe that time is the enemy here.

[Myk Rian]

Few years back on TV they had some Ebola commercials ...guy yelling EBOWLAWWW! through a trumpet -megaphone thing. Said it would stop your coughing. Well, I call that deceptive !

Do you realize how ridiculous that statement is? He was saying Ricola.

[Mark Bolton]

About the only protocol that will safely prevent the spread of a disease that results in projectile vomiting and diarrhea is a flame thrower.

I know this isn't a humorous topic but that just cracked me up. One of the best reads of the thread.

We built a very large playground for an elementary school a few years back. The janitors (ladies) would come out and give treats to our dog all the time and they would talk about having had cleaned up xx number of pukes and diarrheas that day. Then the staff would come out and ask us to go in and look at problems or needed repairs in the school. Walking in they'd point to a door and say "go in there," or "the light switch is right there on your left". I kept my hands to myself and said, no dice, I'm not touching anything in this place. They could open all the doors and turn on all the lights. Just breathing the air in there freaked me out lol.

The immune systems those women had to have would probably equal that of the terminator or something. I told them I operate most of my days without coming in contact with another human being, much less a petri dish of hundreds of snot nosed kids sticking their fingers in their noses and down their pants and half heartedly washing their hands haha. I'm like a fragile little bird compared to them.

Thankfully we didn't have to do any of the interior work.

[Mel Fulks]

Myk, I think I realized it even before you did. The jokes that don't sell....I use myself.... But thanks.

[Mark Bolton]

Myk, I think I realized it even before you did. The jokes that don't sell....I use myself.... But thanks.

Yet another good laugh. You guys are killing me.

[Scott Shepherd]

More and more each day, the things we learn are proving the things I posted at the start of this thread about the guy that called into a radio show, are proving to be spot on.

While many things he said we dismissed earlier in this thread, now it's showing that the things he was saying (as well as others) are far more accurate than anything the CDC is saying.

That plane took 5 more trips AFTER the symptomatic nurse flew on it. How, in this day in time, can ANYONE think that putting someone showing symptoms on a plane and then letting that plane continue for 5 more flights, is a good idea is crazy.

Someone needs to get fired for those types of decision making skills.

So it's 140 on that one flight, and all their family, friends, people that have come in contact with while moving through normal life. That's got to be in the 1000's of people at some risk, even if minimal. Now, multiply that times the 5 more flights that were taken on that same plane.

Insane to think anyone would allow this to happen.

[David Weaver]

The key thing that you quoted is that the disease is not ebola (which is false) that ebola liquifies people in what, 2 days? Not correct.

So far, we have two people who were infected because they were apparently working in a hospital that did not have proper protocol in place and put at least two people directly in contact with bodily fluids.

We also have a house full of people who were in casual contact with a guy who had a high viral load, and so far none of them have shown to be symptomatic.

And we have an example of what looks like a CDC individual literally standing by unprotected for a patient who is known to have ebola. If he thought or knew that it was something that could transmit that easily, he would've been a lot further away.

The issues so far appear to have been from stupidity, and not conspiracy.

(nobody has said anything about the small group of patients, what 6 or so? who have been successfully treated without anyone else getting infected - in places where protocol is known and followed).

[Phil Thien]

More and more each day, the things we learn are proving the things I posted at the start of this thread about the guy that called into a radio show, are proving to be spot on.

While many things he said we dismissed earlier in this thread, now it's showing that the things he was saying (as well as others) are far more accurate than anything the CDC is saying.

You never really posted much about what the guy actually said other than this isn't Ebola and real Ebola liquefies the victim's body. You said he claimed this was Marburg.

But this is, without any doubt, Ebola.

[Al Launier]

I'm really concerned as I think poor decisions are being made, yet think/hope we'll "eventually" get control of this.???

What has me most concerned is the decision not to bar incoming flights from any country known to have victims of ebola. If that cannot be done, then at least quarantine everyone arriving from these countries. That would be their price for leaving those afflicted countries, regardless who they are. Expecting that short term procedures (questionaires, taking temperatures, etc.) at airports will provide adequate protection against entry of temporarily dormant ebola contaminated people is naive. What I am NOT concerned about is the potential economic effect this might have on fledging economies. Heck, we probably give them more money than their national economy produces anyway. The lack of adequate leadership in our country that cannot make difficult decisions (too focused on politics) is a major problem!

Finally, all victims could instead be immediately flown to an "old aircraft carrier(s), or such), similar the Mercy Ships, i.e. "Ship of Hope" that are staffed with an emergency staff/crew trained to handle these crises. This would keep all afflicted victims away from the mainland & prevent victims from flying "wherever" such as the nurse that flew from Dallas to Ohio & exposed herself to 132 passengers who then flew on to other areas of our country.

[David Weaver]

It does seem to make sense doesn't it? Bar incoming flights from outbreak countries, continue to monitor anyone coming in from other countries because they could be from those, and the * people who have had material exposure / contact * with someone who has ebola - should be placed somewhere that they literally can't go anywhere for 3 weeks, make an emergency legislative bill that doesn't allow them to be fired from their employers and that pays them back wages for three weeks.

it's not in everyones' best interest to have people who provide a substantial risk flying around on airplanes or visiting restaurants in new jersey. It's a problem that could be solved *easily*. Easily.

[Scott Shepherd]

You never really posted much about what the guy actually said other than this isn't Ebola and real Ebola liquefies the victim's body. You said he claimed this was Marburg.

But this is, without any doubt, Ebola.

The Ebola that is killing people is doing so by liquifying their organs.

What I said the guy, and other doctors since then, said was that we're not being told the truth and that it's a lot more dangerous than they are saying, which we are finding out to be true every single day.

Over 200 health care workers have died from Ebola this year alone, globally, so I hardly think it's a "harmless" as some are portraying it to be. Two days ago, they upped the mortality rate to 70%. That's a lot closer to the dangerous levels those doctors interviewed have indicated.

I think the test is simple. It's easy to quote statistics from wikipedia, but if you were sitting in an airport, waiting for a plane, and they announced that your flight had just transported an infected ebola patient and it had not been properly cleaned, would you get on the plane. I seriously doubt it.