Originally Posted by
Matthew Hills
My (commercial) dining room chairs were built in 50's with dowels. Most of these joints have failed and have required repair. Heard this is common due to the high stress, and difficulty keeping dowels from shrinking out of round. I don't have any experience with full-mortised chairs to know if they'd hold up better, but that's probably the direction I'd go if I was building some myself.
I do think it is worthwhile having multiple joinery options, so choose whichever fits your upcoming projects.
Matt
I've repaired quite a few chairs that came loose in the back of the seat - and which had two dowels in them to make the joint. Two dowels in that location is just not storng enough to stand up to the stress that joint takes when people rock back on a chair.
By the way, R. Bruce Hoadley (the wood guy) published an article in Fine Woodworking many years ago where he studied the failure mode of joints like that. His analysis was that the problem was not glue failure, or shrinkage of the dowels. The failure was actually wood failure. My experience is the same. When I take a doweled chair apart, there is wood stuck to the dowel, indicating that the glue did not fail. But the surface area is too small for the load and the wood that the glue is attached to fails. My experience is that the wood of the dowel does not fail - there's glue on the dowel and wood attached to the glue. It's the wood of the chair that fails.
Another indication of that failure mode is that if you try to put a regular sized dowel back into the hole, the hole will be too big, indicating that wood was actually removed from the hole.
It's all a matter of the amount of long grain to long grain glue surface area. And a mortise and tenon has more long grain to long grain surface area than dowels that will fit into the same space.
Mike
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