Interesting saw type

[Cody Cantrell]

I saw this saw on ebay and am quiet smitten with the form. It is the top saw. Anyone know anything about saws like this? I think I will make one out of an old plate. Thanks for any info.
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[David Eisenhauer]

I believe it is the type of saw that you just rub on wood and the wood becomes cut-wood. But use aside, you mean you just decide to head out to the shop and knock out a new saw in the next half hour or so? Go ahead on and do that while I am still trying to figure out this saw sharpening stuff with less-than-young-eyes. May as well have another saw just to keep your hand in so to speak. Will we see photos of the new creation tomorrow?

[Cody Cantrell]

Probably not tomorrow, got other projects ahead of this. Maybe around Christmas time. Thinking this would be a good little bench saw for use with a bench hook. Anyone seen this type saw? Wondering if Mr. Bontz has made one like this? I have a 10 point plate waiting, maybe an Osage tote?

[Kees Heiden]

The cheek of that handle reminds me a tiny little bit of the dovetail and carcass saw handle from Smith's key. That long end in front of the nib is also a bit like those saws.

http://eaiainfo.org/2014/02/05/decoding-smiths-key/

What kind of sawscrews does it have?

[Cody Cantrell]

Look like regular saw screws from the back, the front kind of looks like a rivet.

[Kees Heiden]

Man, that could very well be an old one, early 19th century! The very round nose, the long straight in front of the nib, the curious cheek. I think those screws are replacements, maybe the handle was indeed attached with rivets originally.

[Kees Heiden]

And of course it could be much newer, dating saws ain't that easy.

Scrape the rust with some mineral spirits and a razor blade. Maybe you'll find a name.

[Cody Cantrell]

Its not mine I just saw it on ebay and figured I could make a copy of it.

[Tom M King]

Looks like it's made for cutting early 19th Century PVC pipe.

[Ron Bontz]

Look like regular saw screws from the back, the front kind of looks like a rivet.

What is the ppi and does the plate have any taper? The hang looks a little high for a Smith's Key saw. Rather looks like a small table saw to me. Good research project for some one. Interesting angle on the nib. Wouldn't take much to make one and could come in handy in tight spots.

[Jim Davis]

It looks, in fact, as if someone has done what you suggest. Overall geometry is similar to Disston's "Patternmaker's saw" and not unlike their "Cabinetmaker's saw." The former had a 7" long plate and the latter a longer one--14" or so IIRC. Here are some close relatives:

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[Cody Cantrell]

Ron,
these pics are just from an ebay listing I saw.

I guess no one is really familiar with the form? I like all the insight.

[Rob Paul]

The form looks like a "Table" saw, although they usually have a longer blade (this one may have been shortened)
The handle on early table saws was a bit more decorative than the somewhat plain one shown, so I'd guess it dates first half 1900s
Should be a good project to copy this style (do some google searching for alternative handle details. Bob Summerfield makes a nice one http://lumberjocks.com/summerfi/blog/46985 )

[Tony Zaffuto]

Like the proportions! Have to wonder how deep the saw plate was originally, if materially different than the picture. Maybe George Wilson will take a look and opine?

[Jim Davis]

This thread was just the push I needed to throw me off balance and get me to make one of these saws. I had it in mind for a year of so.

I cut a section out of a very used Disston D-20, belt sanded most of the rust and shallow pits out of it, shaped the back of the heal, and made a handle. The plate is 14" long. The handle is cherry. (Hope it darkens up over time)100_1223.JPG100_1220.JPG100_1224.JPG100_1225.JPG100_1226.JPGAnd a Disston factory version.

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