Thats very cool. I bet you never worry about where to get an obscure part- you just go to the shop and make it! Do you ever make your own woodworking tools?Originally Posted by Tony Zaffuto
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Thats very cool. I bet you never worry about where to get an obscure part- you just go to the shop and make it! Do you ever make your own woodworking tools?
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Temporary insanity, long term repercussions.
Bumbling forward into the unknown.
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$38K is pretty cheap for a decent machine.
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Haas, ready to work, are closer to $100K (I have two of their cnc mills). I have a number of other machining centers, including Mazak, but Haas have been the most trouble free.
My pricy equipment are presses and furnaces: entry is well over $250k a pop. Needless to say, I don't waste time on making my own stuff, though I've had one of my toolmakers flatten plane soles and square the sides.
If the thunder don't get you, the lightning will.
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Thanks Tony! If I get over there, I'd sure enjoy seeing it!
Fred
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I think that a lot of people don't realize how much up-front time is involved in creating the first article of a CNCed part. As you imply it's near-certain that buying the part from somebody else who's already set up to make it would be more economical than wasting your own peoples' time on that.
Say. I see that you have double-disc grinders, and I have some lapping plates.... (just kidding obviously - I have a local shop that I work with when it gets beyond what I can handle with granite and SiC)
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Note that the one they got is a "toolroom mill", which are lower-cost, lower-speed machines (7 hp or so, 400 ipm rapids).
The one in the picture on your site looks like a DM1, which is a higher-end "production" machine (15+ hp, 2400 ipm rapids, $65K + extras per Haas).
Last edited by Patrick Chase; 08-13-2016 at 2:35 PM.
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I have one with a 35,000 rpm spindle for hard face turning.
Anyone out my way is welcome anytime.
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On a semi-related note, this has caused me to read through Raney's blog more deeply, and I'm discovering that I share his sensibilities in a lot of respects (not just about woodworking). I highly recommended his writings.
I would never pay the price tag for one of his planes, but they're much more appealing to me and undoubtedly a lot more usable in the real world than, say, Bridge City.
The fact that he holds Schwartz in such high esteem makes me wonder if I need to reevaluate my opinion of the man. Nobody's perfect after all, and perhaps I've focused too much on his negatives...
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I could see them turning out a high quality, but not overly embellished thing that is either not being produced currently at a high quality, like an eggbeater drill, or a quality product at prices that are a step below the super high end stuff like a vesper bevel gauge or something.
I like that they said they are not trying to steal market share but rather fill gaps. So my guess is that the holdfast will be more expensive than a Gramercy but less than a blacksmith forged version.
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Howdy Greg and welcome to the Creek.
I have not been following close to this since my grandkids have been visiting I've had other priorities.
I do recall someone mentioning the new holdfasts will have 1" shaft. That doesn't seem to presently be a popular model on the market. It would also justify a moderately higher price.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Those are good thoughts Greg. It would make sense to aim for that niche in this case.
I second Jim's welcome! Glad to have you with us!
Fred
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Small world; the company Crucible Tools LLC sounds very similar to Crucible Industries LLC.
Crucible Industries LLC roots trace back to 1776, when the Naylor and Sanderson Steel Mill was established in Sheffield, England. A century later, the company – then known as Sanderson Brothers - was exporting increasing quantities of tool steel to America and it was decided to establish a steelmaking plant in Syracuse, New York. https://www.crucible.com/Index.aspx#
The U.S. Civil War; 1861 - 1865. http://www.historyplace.com/civilwar/
Manufacturing this tool has been a remarkable challenge in foundry work. But after five months of tests and trials with a patternmaker and a foundry (which has been in business since before the Civil War), we have our first production holdfasts in hand. https://blog.lostartpress.com/2016/0...crucible-tool/
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It just dawned on my, the first Lie-Nielsen tool event I went to was at the Crucible School of Industrial Arts in Oakland, California:
http://thecrucible.org/?gclid=CMPQsP...FQ5rfgodMG0GaQ
Most likely no connection, but the name seemed familiar.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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It's possible - If I started a high-end tool maker and needed to choose a foundry partner, they'd be on the short list. Crucible were very early onto the powdered metallurgy scene, and make a range of super-durable (and super-imposible-to-hone unless you use diamonds) tool steels. If you've seen references to CPM-3V or CPM-10V (for example in Derek's chisel tests) those are both from Crucible.
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