Last edited by Pat Barry; 08-23-2016 at 5:46 PM.
Be careful what you say, people have been burned for that:
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jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
You spelled it right,Pat. But,who is "everyone"? I only see Jim "piling on"to you.
I don't agree that it is here say when many,many posts(as well as Mel's just a little above),say that the new Marples are too soft. This is one of those issues that have been discussed several times over recent years here,and on other fora.
Last edited by george wilson; 08-24-2016 at 10:11 AM.
My experience with blue handle marples is a mixed bag. There are characteristics I like. The edge is a comfortable edge to work with. The problem is the steel is a bit soft and the edge has to be honed to keep it sharp. I used them in Paul Sellers classes I attended. There was a diamond hone and leather charged with compound. When the edge needed touching up, you went and hit the edge a few strokes and then honed it on the leather. You went back to your bench and continued working. I do something like that now except I'm using LN chisels and the honing compound is on mdf.
I still like the feel of the blue handles and do use them occasionally.
Watch me smoothly replace Pat as the target.
He didn't spell it right. It's "hearsay", not "heresay" (Pat) or "heresy" (Jim).
You engage in hearsay when you "hear" something out of court (or the forum in this case) and then you turn around and "say" the same thing in court without having directly witnessed the event in question. It's inadmissible in most circumstances (for a classic exception see "dying declaration") because the defense is prevented from confronting the accuser and because the original statement wasn't made under oath.
Note that if you hear someone say "I did it, I killed them" you can testify to the fact that they said it without engaging in hearsay, as the event you're testifying to is the admission of guilt, which you directly witnessed. OTOH if C hears B say "A shot me" then that would be inadmissible hearsay coming from C (unless B died thereafter as a result).
Last edited by Patrick Chase; 08-25-2016 at 1:22 PM.
I basically agree with you. George's post was reasonable, and I think a couple others over-reacted, but...
You can't take this stuff personally (and yes, I'm fully aware that I sometimes do). Everybody makes mistakes, and when we make mistakes on a forum it often ends up looking like what happened here.
Some people just like to nit pick! And,from what I HEAR,Pat is one of them. Again,this is from what I HEAR. I'm not advising anyone to NOT vote for him for president (probably better than the exisiting candidates anyway)!! Let's see what he can make out of THIS post!!!
I didn't make any mistake,Patrick. What mistake do you think I made? I meant exactly what I said about the Marples chisels.If dozens of members complained that they are too soft,it JUST MIGHT BE TRUE!! I do make mistakes sometimes,but not on this issue. When I make mistakes,I admit it,and usually apologize.
Jim,your kind words are much appreciated. So are the others who have been supportive.
Last edited by george wilson; 08-25-2016 at 1:49 PM.
I am too full of pain killers to know what anyone is saying right now!!
But,I doubt that this nit picking is helping the original intent of the thread anyway!
Very true, and that was the point I was trying to make in #23 before I got all cute and clever in my reply to you.
As I've said before, I appreciate and value your opinion and contributions. Given your depth of experience and the extent and quality of your connections within the woodworking world I value your hearsay for that matter, which is why I thought your original post was useful. This isn't a court of law, you made it clear that you were relating "indirect experience", and I think most folks here are smart enough to weight that appropriately.
w.r.t. painkillers, been there done that. I *hate* being fogged out. Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
+2 on that!w.r.t. painkillers, been there done that. I *hate* being fogged out.
I tend to put up with the pain instead of dealing with the side effects of the medications. I have worked with my doctor to lessen the number of medications I take everyday. This started when I noticed feeling better on the days I would forget to take my pills.
I may have been remiss for not including a smiley with my post. I did include an image of the dictionary to indicate what it came to with "heresay" in the search box.Watch me smoothly replace Pat as the target.
He didn't spell it right. It's "hearsay", not "heresay" (Pat) or "heresy" (Jim).
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
On a side note, it would be convenient at times to have electrical outlets like the ones in at least Australia and England with the switches for each outlet. (these appear in Stewie's original post of this thread)
One lamp fixture in my shop doesn't have and individual switch and requires being plugged in or unplugged to turn it on and off.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
Actually, I have participated in countless forums over the years, and SMC is one of the most civil and friendly communities that I've ever been a part of. I was actually pleasantly surprised when I joined.
I think that we must be careful of misinterpreting people's intentions too, though. Some people react very differently to statements -- one person may perceive that he's just being factual and offering information, whilst another might interpret it more personally or emotionally as if that person is attacking him or someone else, when that wasn't the intent.
And, in any case, strong opinions are always present with any subject.