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    Solar Kiln with Bifold doors (walls)

    I finished up my 8' x 18' solar kiln early this summer and ran my first load of 3"x6" western red cedar through it with excellent results. This is a modified VA Tech design.

    I built the kiln with four bi-fold doors spanning 16 feet. To my knowledge, this is a unique design on kiln doors. Sliding barn door hardware supports the center corners of the innermost two doors. I guesstimate each of the four doors weighs over 100 pounds. There is absolutely no sag and the doors will easily slide open with one finger. Cane bolts on the inside secure them closed.

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    The four ~4 ft. x 7 ft. door sections (actually more like wall sections) were constructed in the shop with 2x4 lumber dried in the shop, trued on the jointer, built flat and squared, insulated with fiberglass and sandwiched with 1/2 cdx plywood glued and screwed to the framing - very strong with little potential for sag or warp.

    The two sets of doors were hung using three 12" barn door hinges at each of the sides (with corresponding blocking built inside the doors) and three 4" door hinges in the centers. They were hung with 1/4" gap all around, at the most, and then T111 siding was screwed on slightly oversized to the outside to cover the gap top, bottom and between the center of the bi-folds. A 1/2" inch vertical gap in the very center of the two sections was necessary for clearance when opening and closing. A 1x4 was screwed to the back of one door on the inside to close the gap.

    The doors fit tight enough that any further weather stripping seems unnecessary and the short roof on the back helps keep most of the weather off the doors. The cane bolts on the inside snug them up well against the jamb and make it impossible for anyone to be shut inside while also allowing the building to be secured from the outside with a single lock on the access door.

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    The bi-fold doors limit the 16' opening to an effective 13'+ foot opening which is fine for my purposes. I loaded the kiln with mostly 12' and 13' 12/4 cedar with no access issues.

    The kiln is roughly 7' by 17' inside with a 12/12 collector roof, or roughly equal to my 47 degree latitude. Glazing is triple wall polycarbonate (double cell) on 2x6 rafters 2 ft. OC with 1x4 horizontal skip boards on top at 3 ft. OC for securing the polycarbonate panels. Black metal roofing is screwed onto the rafters underneath as a collector.

    Four solar powered fans blow out of the plenum (horizontal plywood extends from bottom of fan shroud forward to rafters to create a triangle plenum) down across the roofing and out at the front of the kiln. Air recirculates back through the lumber. Floor is 2x8 and walls 2x4 with fiberglass insulation. A narrow insulated 24" access door is on the side. The bottom of the fan plenum is just over my height to allow easy access and no bumps on my head.


    All interior walls are 1/2 cdx ply over plastic vapor barrier and insulation. All joints, holes, etc. we're caulked prior to painting for a good seal. Interior walls were painted with 2 coats of aluminum paint and then flat black (in case I ever want to try the kiln without the metal roof panels) Floor is 1 inch signboard ply (has waterproof resin coating) over 2x8 on 16 inch Centers. Floor was painted with 4 coats of aluminum paint. I might put on some type of porch paint or rubberized coating on the floor in the future depending on wear and water absorption.

    Using the metal roofing under the rafters has the added benefit of being able to "turn off" the heating of the kiln, or adjust it, by turning off one or all fans. This is perfect for my use since I'm using the kiln for lumber storage (and there is never enough of that) when I'm not drying. I pull out enough sticks for weeks of work and move them to the shop for acclimation. When stock in the kiln runs low, I'll pull out the remaining cedar, move it to the shop and restock with a new load for drying.

    I was able to take 1100 board feet of air-dried western red cedar with a moisture content of 15 percent (at the most) down to 7 percent in 8 weeks. I had to slow down the drying (by turning off some of the fans) when the differential MC in the center of the wood and the outside became too great. I didn't want to create internal stresses in the wood, avoiding case hardening is one of the primary benefits of solar kilns. But these were full 3" sticks so slow was the way to go. I suspect 1" cedar could have been dried in a good week of full sun.

    I estimate the cost difference between air-dried cedar and kiln dried (if you can find it at this thickness) paid for the cost of construction with the first load and I was able to control the drying myself in the process.

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    Last edited by Tom Hyde; 09-13-2016 at 11:14 AM.

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    Excellent work. That's a great-looking kiln and obviously it works great, too.
    Cody


    Logmaster LM-1 sawmill, 30 hp Kioti tractor w/ FEL, Stihl 290 chainsaw, 300 bf cap. Solar Kiln

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    Been thinking about such a project for some time. Do you have additional pics of the build?

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    I've got a few, and some basic plans I drew up. On the road now. Will post in a couple of days. Happy to answer questions as well.

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    I'd love to see more pics and plans as well. Very impressive build!

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    Here are the plans. I did modify a bit as I constructed but pretty close. The doors have extra blocking in them for hinges and sliding hardware.

    Walls are insulated 2x4 with 1/2" CDX inside and 5/8" T111 exterior. Floor is insulated 2x8 with 3/4" MDO deck, and 1/2" cdx underneath screwed up into the joists.

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    Last edited by Tom Hyde; 09-25-2016 at 11:42 AM.

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    A few construction pics.

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    PT 6x6 posts on 4' centers with 6x6 on top. Solid.

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    Underneath the deck - I wanted to run plywood over top of the 6x6s and build the floor on top of that for a solid seal on my insulated floor. I used hangers and a couple of 2x4s to hold the plywood up while I built the floor on top, and then I came back and screwed the plywood up into the floor joists.

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    The door header is two 2x12s with 1/2" CDX in between, glued and nailed. Two of us got the south wall up without killing anyone.

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    Framing done prior to 2x6" rafters.

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    Fan shroud and plenum partially completed - For shroud and plenum support, I used (on every other rafter) two vertical 2x4s descending from either side rafters that sandwich a horizontal 2x4 coming back from rafter, then screwed my 1/2" plywood to those supports. I came back and filled the void between rafters at the top with plywood strips screwed to the fan shroud. The bottom of the plenum is just above my height (no head bumps). Black metal roofing was then screwed to the forward bottom edge of the plenum descending down the rafters and ending just short of the front (north) short wall. Using the metal roofing collector allows me to completely "turn off" the kiln and use it for storage by just unplugging the fans. A heavy plastic tarp is attached to the plenum extending down the wood pile being dried. The fans force air over the heated metal roofing, down into the kiln, back out through the wood pile, and back into the fans to recirculate. I open the wall vents only to lower temp.

    Because I used the metal under the rafters as a solar collector, it was unnecessary to paint the interior black. I did it anyway to protect everything from moisture, and just in case I ever wanted to pull the metal out and try the more traditional method of using the entire interior as a solar collector. At this point, I think I'll stick with the metal roofing collector. It works well and, as noted before, I can turn the kiln off if I want to and use it for storage ... cause there is never enough room for wood storage.
    Last edited by Tom Hyde; 09-25-2016 at 12:28 PM.

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    Very nice. Thanks for the plans and pictures, Tom!

  9. Can you show the whole output picture if this work? Thanks!

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    Not sure I understand, or what I haven't shown?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason Truelove View Post
    Can you show the whole output picture if this work? Thanks!

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    Very nice! What fans did you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Snyder View Post
    Very nice! What fans did you use?
    I wish I could recommend the online retailer (rhymes with "sand") but one of the fans arrived broken and the company refused to reply to my emails or honor their "warranty."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Hyde View Post
    I wish I could recommend the online retailer (rhymes with "sand") but one of the fans arrived broken and the company refused to reply to my emails or honor their "warranty."
    A-holes! Hope they weren't the $300+ kind. Looks like I will be going the Amazon Prime or Home Depot route then. Planning to use a solar attic fan like this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZWK7DYE...I1BH711C0TO13Q

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