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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm McLeod View Post
    I snagged this European beauty for my shop at a recent auction...
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    All the guards and safety features are in place and used. Going to be a real time-saver, and, I'm sure will be my personal 'can't live w/o' power tool! (Just waiting on the electricians to finish the new electrical service - - that 350MCM wire is a bear to pull.)

    (Had to do it. ...You guys and your tool-porn.)
    Isn't that a dedicated lathe customized to facilitate communication and documentation in the shop?
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    The most expensive tool is the one you buy "cheaply" and often...

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    Malcolm I have some hand tools for Greenlee that will make pulling bending and connecting that 350MCM much easier.
    Glad its my shop I am responsible for - I only have to make me happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Pratt View Post
    I completely understand not using a guard all the time; there are some situations where the guard is just in the way. But for the life of me, I can't understand not using a riving knife when the guard is removed. As far as I'm concerned the riving knife is a far more important safety feature than the guard.

    Let's be honest, some people care more about working fast than working safe. Of course, once they get seriously injured, they're not working at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John TenEyck View Post
    I have both a behind blade guard and Plexiglas over the blade guard on my crosscut sled. The design came from the late Gerry Cary in his book on kitchen cabinets. Just seemed like a really smart thing to have as long as I was building it.

    Safety is mostly about training and common sense but people get tired, mistakes happen, and wood doesn't always behave well.

    John
    That's exactly what I have. When I can't use the regular guard, I engineer a guard into whatever jig I'm using so that I cannot come in contact with the blade, period. The idea that it won't happen to you only matters until it happens to you.

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    Thanks to all those who shared their photos. To those who diverted over to "safety comments": start your own thread!!

    To Van: so you routinely lead climbs like the Bachar-Yerian, but a full number grade higher??
    Wow, just a wee bit more dangerous than free hand ripping on a TS......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcolm McLeod View Post
    I snagged this European beauty for my shop at a recent auction...
    Attachment 349161
    All the guards and safety features are in place and used. Going to be a real time-saver, and, I'm sure will be my personal 'can't live w/o' power tool! (Just waiting on the electricians to finish the new electrical service - - that 350MCM wire is a bear to pull.)

    (Had to do it. ...You guys and your tool-porn.)

    Man Malcolm, I hope that 350MCM can handle the load, at least your machine is single phase. Make sure you build a good, solid base for it with lots of rebar in the concrete.
    Oh btw., hire a certified electrician to wire it up .

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    Interesting photos and good to see the Euro machines in a shop. The older I get the less bold I act so things like the last photo won't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Henderson View Post
    Let's be honest, some people care more about working fast than working safe. Of course, once they get seriously injured, they're not working at all.
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  9. #54
    Quote Originally Posted by J.R. Rutter View Post
    It is nice to have that pile of shapers gone. At one point, I had seven of them. I would love to have a vertical panel saw, but really can't justify it for cutting door panels.
    You might want to revisit the idea. The foot print is reasonable and the way I cut 1/4" door panels and drawer bottoms I'm rarely just cutting one part at a time. Usually they're double or tripled up.

    Plus, on the safety side of things, you really have to be trying in order to hurt yourself on a panel saw.

    But, I do agree dropping $25k on a saw for your limited application is a tough one to swallow.

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    This compressor is Italian .. so it counts as Euro. Its very quiet.. and produces a pile of air. Its plumbed outside and blows the water in the tank outdoors.. which is actually quite loud .. Made by Mattei.. 80 gallon tank





    Above is a 2001 SCM Sandya Win .. Its being replaced. Its 25" wide.. been a good machine.. In the distance a Martin Slider .. T-60C



    Blade guard is removed due to shipping damage



    Griggio 20" Thickness planer up close.. Its simple, heavy tank like planer.. Tersa head. Lots of nice features but painful electronics and controls.. Its 9hp .. with sharp knives it makes short work of most woods.

    In the distance a Felder 900 Edge Sander. Actually made in Italy by ACM .. with a Felder ( Maggi ) power feeder



    Mini Max SP600 or MM-24 to us older fellas. Made In Italy .. 4.8hp ..



    A Felder RL160 Dust collector .. ITs a decent enough machine.. I wouldn't buy it again because the filter system is really not great for sanders.. The single phase model, which this is .. is also prone to over amperage.. This one runs 20 amps .. FLA is 19.. Its done this for 10 years.. Still running.. The motor is undersized in my opinion.

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    Your shop is looking good Rick! I like the floor.
    Does the motor on the RL run hot? I am asking because I have a couple of smaller Euro machines with single phase motors and they are very hot to the touch after running a while. Have not had any problems with them yet.
    I just set up a shop overseas with Griggio equipment and know exactly what you mean by painful electronics and controls. The castings and a few other things on them are good though and for the price not bad. I miss SAC for mid range heavy duty machines.

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    The RL-160 comes with a 5.5hp motor in 3 phase.. I think that makes a lot of sense. They put a single phase motor at 4hp ..

    The problem is that the 4hp motor has an FLA of about 19 amps.. and the machine will easily run 20 - 21 amps .. I had a run cap fail, which lead to a failure of the overload. The machine still ran and had I not smelled how hot it was, probably would have ruined the motor. It seems like I'm always conscious about not leaving gates open etc. to keep the amperage down.

    I ordered a new wide belt. The Sandya Win has been good, but its really simple. It doesn't even have power rise / fall of the table. The new one will be here in April .. Its a Houfek 37" machine ..

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    After that, I am going to get a new planer. I like the Griggio 20" .. I like the power, the segmented infeed roller. I like that materials never get stuck in the planer because the feed mechanism is really very good.. but I can't stand the table movement, the height indicator is vague.

    I'm looking at the Martin, SCM and Felder .. SCM has some neat features that the other two don't have.. The feed mechanism slows and speeds up depending on the load on the motor. They have removable feed rollers which are pneumatically controlled. 12hp motor .. and a numerical controller .. This will be a 2017 expense..

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    I run the compressor and DC single phase because I use a Phase perfect to supply the machines.. the wide belt needs air and DC... So having them 3 phase would drastically limit the amount of available power for a machine that has a large motor.

    The new Wide Belt has pneumatic tracking, but it also has a timed Pneumatic belt cleaning device. No idea how much air that will use but I assume a large amount.


    Joe . My Griggio planer has DOL starting at 9hp .. Ugh .. I had to change a fuse in the Phase Perfect 20hp because that 9hp motor would pop a fuse inside the converter on startup .. PP upgraded me from a 3 amp to 5 amp .. no idea what it does.. The Griggio is a fine machine, but 9hp without start delta is right on the edge ..

    Felder and SCM seem to go Star Delta at 7.5hp ..

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    must be something different with different brands of Roto Phases my 10 hp TME Delta brand (not around anymore ) starts 9 and 10 HP no issues. Even the small one that had non of the fancey electronic stuff was a 3 hp and worked fine for 3 or 4 HP motors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Fisher View Post

    I'm looking at the Martin, SCM and Felder .. SCM has some neat features that the other two don't have.. The feed mechanism slows and speeds up depending on the load on the motor. They have removable feed rollers which are pneumatically controlled. 12hp motor .. and a numerical controller .. This will be a 2017 expense..
    Rick, I will be interested to know how you go about this, and what you end up with?? And maybe, if it's not too much, what your end cost is?
    Are you planning to go and see each of these in operation, or at a showroom? Or, are you strictly going to decide based on their advertising info?
    Curious your thought process around cost vs machine worth?
    I have found that the quality levels between SCM and Martin, along with what is offered in technology is getting tighter between the two.
    However, I went to IWF, and the visual quality difference and precision of manufacturing at least on the shapers is still high ground held by Martin. Also, the apples to apples comparison of features, that I thought would result in a much higher cost for Martin was not there, the Martin may have actually been less cost than the top SCM machine.
    I am not necessarily advocating for Martin, as I was not impressed enough with the quality of what they offered , for what they thought it worth, to part with any cash.
    The SCM sales people, and at the booth, generally shot themselves in the foot at every turn when I asked hard questions. As a matter of fact, my SCM guy did tell me that SCM will probably never achieve the fit and finish of a Martin, as that is not their focus.
    Highest price should on at least some level indicate best quality
    So, I have done nothing, and actually started looking for a lightly used Martin shaper of the T26 or T20 variety.

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