I am looking for a matching ogee positive and negative. Please watch the video. This is for a sliding deadman. I want something fancier than a simple pyramid slider. Just watch the video. It explains it all.
https://youtu.be/FhBhx8-j7O8
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I am looking for a matching ogee positive and negative. Please watch the video. This is for a sliding deadman. I want something fancier than a simple pyramid slider. Just watch the video. It explains it all.
https://youtu.be/FhBhx8-j7O8
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Reversable detail bit done in two pieces and then glue them together.
Shaper with a Corrugated head and have knives ground.
Call Nordic tool and have a matched pair of bits made to your drawing.
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Once upon a time, I looked for similar bit (set), but struck out (I never considered custom made, due to cost and limited use).Originally Posted by Malcolm Schweizer
Don't forget to allow for tolerances. And I'd allow about 1/32" undersize on the 'male' profile (especially across any opposing vertical faces) to allow a sliding fit. I suspect this means a single symmetric profile won't work for you....?
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Second two options too costly. First option- where do I get a reversible ogee bit? I have a local friend who has 2,000 wooden planes. He is looking to see if he has a set that matches what I want. I don't want to piece it together with hollows and rounds. I am hoping to find a router bit or a wood moulding plane set that has the profile I need.
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http://www.eagleamerica.com/product/...ters_-_molding
https://www.mcfeelys.com/reversible-...-1-14r385.html
https://www.burnstools.com/table-edge-router-bits-ogee
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-pc-1-2-SH-...0AAOSwubRXN9Qv
I have the first and the third, and when searching I saw other shorter profiles as well. The classical Freud reversible may work better as it has small flats to align. I have the older version, but you may want to check out this tact as well.
http://www.rockler.com/freud-classic...Accessories%27
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Aha! This one https://www.burnstools.com/table-edge-router-bits-ogee So the curve top and bottom are the same and therefore you can route a recess or a raised profile that would fit together- am I right? I would just need to run a dado down the middle of the recess to clear the bearing, and then I could route the raised piece with a flat spot on top to match that area. I hope this makes sense how I am saying it. I think this may be just what I am looking for. Thanks, Larry. I just didn't know what to call it in order to properly search for it. Apparently "reversible Roman Ogee" is the key word I was looking for.
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I have the Amana/Lonny Bird version, but same profile. If it is only dropped in about half of the upper curve it is an exact match to a lot of trim details found on mid-late 1800 houses. I have never used it as you would like to.
The Amana stub spindle cope cutter door system is a nother option. part # 47511 & 54131
The Lonnie Bird/Amana part # is 49599.
Also check out Amana part # 54188, a different twist.
Amana part # 54126 is a steeper reversible Ogee.
the one I was looking for that I have in Freud is Amana Part# 54135.
Thats all I got.....
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Thanks for the replies. Thanks Larry for the detailed part numbers. I decided to go with this one by Freud: http://www.internationaltool.com/cat...gee-groove-bit
It will cut an ogee groove without the top bearing getting in the way, and then I can flip it over and route the bottom moulding to match the groove. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again for the replies. This way my bench will have a nice ogee lip where the deadman slides instead of a pointy peak. It just looks better, and also less suceptible to damage because it will have a flat top and rounded edges instead of a pointy top.
Thanks again!
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Ok I'll buy the looks nicer and arguably less to damage (although there are multiple solutions there). However I have two concerns with this idea that will at least be interesting to observe in practice (so please report back)..
The two advantages of the V shape are:
- It sheds dust and crud very effectively. I'm concerned that the flats on the ogee will collect crud and interfere with the smooth sliding of your deadman. Its also possible (likely even..) that your shop is substantially cleaner than mine
- It is more immune to size changes, basically the deadman will ride a bit higher or lower if the wood swells/shrinks laterally and ditto if the deadman warps slightly. With the ogee there isn't as much room for automatic adjustment.
Certainly not claiming that it won't work (and have been known to vastly over complicated projects much much worse than this..) but am definitely curious to see if either of those end up being issues after a bit of use.
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I actually considered all of these things, and the ogee allows me to revert to the V shape if it doesn't work out. I am screwing the track down without glue, and the ogee groove can be cut to a vee if needed without having to replace the deadman.Ok I'll buy the looks nicer and arguably less to damage (although there are multiple solutions there). However I have two concerns with this idea that will at least be interesting to observe in practice (so please report back
The two advantages of the V shape are:
- It sheds dust and crud very effectively. I'm concerned that the flats on the ogee will collect crud and interfere with the smooth sliding of your deadman. Its also possible (likely even..) that your shop is substantially cleaner than mine
- It is more immune to size changes, basically the deadman will ride a bit higher or lower if the wood swells/shrinks laterally and ditto if the deadman warps slightly. With the ogee there isn't as much room for automatic adjustment.
Certainly not claiming that it won't work (and have been known to vastly over complicated projects much much worse than this..) but am definitely curious to see if either of those end up being issues after a bit of use.
The dirt issue I can live with, but the swelling may very well be an issue. Curiosity killed the cat, and I decided to just find out if it will work or not. I will report back.
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I was thinking the dirt might require frequent cleaning to keep it sliding happily... and I'm mildly allergic to frequent cleaning
It will certainly be interesting to hear how it works out.
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As a mostly hand tool guy, I figure it won't be much of an issue, i.e. Mostly plane shavings and not a lot of fine sawdust. (Although plane shavings might jam it up more should they wedge just right- never a win/win is there?) Also I really don't expect to use the deadman much as I also have an 18" twin screw for dovetailing. I'm actually also anxious to see how this goes, as it was a concern, but I enjoy experimenting.I was thinking the dirt might require frequent cleaning to keep it sliding happily... and I'm mildly allergic to frequent cleaning
It will certainly be interesting to hear how it works out.
At the last minute I went with this instead of the Freud mentioned above. Lee Valley had free shipping.
http://www.leevalley.com/us/wood/pag...,46177&p=51852
I like the rounded profile on top. I really don't think that little ledge will be an issue. The deadman should just clear away any debris... I hope.
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