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    Help Identifying a No. 7

    Hey all, I was hoping you might help ID a plane. I picked this up for free. The only marks on it are No. 7. Possibly a Sargent? I'd like to know so I can get info for making a missing rear tote and replacing the blade and cap.

    Things that stood out to me:
    The frog was only machined under the screws, not up by the mouth. On the body there were 3 machined pads surrounding the frog attachment screws. I can pull it apart and take pics if it helps.
    The blade depth knob looks identical to Stanley's
    The lateral adjustment lever was bent over, not two joined pieces like Stanley.
    The front knob wasn't attached via a threaded rod and nut, but rather a machine screw. See last pic.
    What remained of the japaning was thicker / smoother than I've seen on Stanley's.

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    Sean,

    A photo of the underside of the frog, the bed of the plane where the frog beds, and the horizontal adjustment lever would help.

    Stew

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    Probably Union, which was purchased by Stanley. And Stanley used the Union type adjusting lever on some of the planes they contracted to make for other companies (hardware stores and the like). To know, you'd want the original lever cap and iron.

    See http://www.brasscityrecords.com/tool.../plane id.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Houghton View Post
    Probably Union, which was purchased by Stanley. And Stanley used the Union type adjusting lever on some of the planes they contracted to make for other companies (hardware stores and the like). To know, you'd want the original lever cap and iron.

    See http://www.brasscityrecords.com/tool.../plane id.html
    Sorry to say Bill that site is no longer up other than the domain being up for sale.

    Other than Union, my recollection is Ohio Tools also used the twisted lateral lever.

    jtk
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    Without seeing the platform supporting the frog, my guess would be either (1) a franken plane with an older bed (perhaps types 4-6) with a frog (due to the lateral adj lever) from type 9-12) or (2) this is an Ohio plane that indeed is very similar to the Stanley planes. My two Ohio planes had different blades, one thick and the other thin (marked Global"). In both cases, these planes perform as well as my Stanley #7. The solid machined face of the frog, when done right, is a fantastic frog so long as the base matches firmly with the frog.

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    Additional pictures as requested:

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    Perhaps this is a Franken plane. Searching for Union planes lead me to this posting. The author identifies it as an 1880's era Stanley. It's an identical frog and bed, but with a different lateral adjustment lever.

    https://virginiatoolworks.com/2012/0...lects-history/

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    It's an identical frog
    The plane pictured on this page (https://virginiatoolworks.com/2012/0...lects-history/) looks to be a type 6 or 7. (it appears to have three patent dates on the lateral adjuster when it is magnified.)

    Look at the area around the lateral adjuster pivot pin. The Stanley frog has an area shaped like a flask, or necked at the top. The OP's frog has a shape with straight walls more like a large U.

    Here is a link with information on Union Planes:

    http://www.timetestedtools.net/2016/...ow-about-them/

    The curvature at the top looks a touch different. Maybe someone has a known Ohio Tools plane to compare.

    The area for the chip breaker screw head clearance also appears to have a different shape than either the Union or Stanley planes.

    jtk
    Last edited by Jim Koepke; 06-18-2017 at 2:43 AM. Reason: area for the chip breaker screw head
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    Ohio Tool Co. 0-7 Jointer, Iron has a Globe logo
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    Frog seat(s)
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    Iron has a hexagonal hole instead of the Stanley round hole..
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    Anything else? Plane is still IN the plane til. It is marked as an "0-7"..not a No. 7 on the base casting.
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    Seems to work just fine.

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    Jim,

    Good eye for detail, I missed that slight difference in the lateral adjustment area.

    Steven,

    Thanks for the Ohio Tool pics. The lateral adjustment looks very similar (the pic is a touch blurry). However the bed attachment is a bit different. Sadly, I don't have the iron / cap, as that seems to be the single most unique part.


    At this point given the similarities, I think it's safe to say that it was likely made by Stanley for someone. For my purposes of finding a blade and lever cap to make it functional again, I'll be looking at Stanley blades/caps unless someone has another suggestion.

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