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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lightstone View Post
    OK. I give. What's with the weird characters that are showing up in the above post. How do I get rid of those?
    Alan, you might try this - it has worked for others:

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    Odd-looking codes for quotation and double quotations may show up in a post when SMC is accessed with "https" instead of "http" with the Enhanced editor

    Look at the address field above the page in the browser.

    If the address bar contains a little padlock and the SMC address starts with "https://..." then take out the "s" to change it to "http://...", hit Enter, then try the Standard Editor again. (The browser considers the "http://" redundant and won't display it in Firefox and Chrome, don't know about other browsers.)

    - The combination of "https" and the Standard editor gave me the unusable grey box every time I tested it.
    - The combination of "https" and the Enhanced editor gave me the painful formatting characters.
    - The combination of "http" and the Enhanced editor gave me other frustrating problems such as randomly jumping cursor on backspace.

    I now make sure I'm using "http://" and the Standard editor. Life is good.

    BTW, to change from the Enhanced to the Standard editor
    - click Settings at the top right of the screen, then General Settings in the bar at the left,
    - scroll down to Miscellaneous Options/Message Editor Interface and choose Standard,
    - click on Save Changes

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    JKJ

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    Alan, will the SCMS in that position be able to cut down long lumber?
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    Jim:

    Yes, the wall is a little more than 14 feet wide there. Might have some issues with 8 foot lumber if I need small pieces cut off the ends, but then I could use the table saw for that. I'm hoping that's enough room.

    Would it make more sense to not center it on that wall so that one side of it has >8 foot capacity, and the other side less?
    Last edited by Alan Lightstone; 11-19-2017 at 9:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John K Jordan View Post
    Alan, you might try this - it has worked for others:

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    Odd-looking codes for quotation and double quotations may show up in a post when SMC is accessed with "https" instead of "http" with the Enhanced editor

    Look at the address field above the page in the browser.

    If the address bar contains a little padlock and the SMC address starts with "https://..." then take out the "s" to change it to "http://...", hit Enter, then try the Standard Editor again. (The browser considers the "http://" redundant and won't display it in Firefox and Chrome, don't know about other browsers.)

    - The combination of "https" and the Standard editor gave me the unusable grey box every time I tested it.
    - The combination of "https" and the Enhanced editor gave me the painful formatting characters.
    - The combination of "http" and the Enhanced editor gave me other frustrating problems such as randomly jumping cursor on backspace.

    I now make sure I'm using "http://" and the Standard editor. Life is good.

    BTW, to change from the Enhanced to the Standard editor
    - click Settings at the top right of the screen, then General Settings in the bar at the left,
    - scroll down to Miscellaneous Options/Message Editor Interface and choose Standard,
    - click on Save Changes

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    JKJ
    Thanks, John. Hopefully that will do the trick (seems to have).
    - After I ask a stranger if I can pet their dog and they say yes, I like to respond, "I'll keep that in mind" and walk off
    - It's above my pay grade. Mongo only pawn in game of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lightstone View Post
    Jim:

    Yes, the wall is a little more than 14 feet wide there. Might have some issues with 8 foot lumber if I need small pieces cut off the ends, but then I could use the table saw for that. I'm hoping that's enough room.

    Would it make more sense to not center it on that wall so that one side of it has >8 foot capacity, and the other side less?
    That's not a bad thought because cross-cutting really long things on a North American style table saw isn't something I'd prefer to do. (easier on a Euro slider with an outrigger, of course) Offsetting the SCMS would give you a little more flexibility for certain cuts, since it's a defined space, but no position is perfect if you think about it. There are times I need to open my shop door for a (rare) cut on the miter saw...and that's on a 22 foot wide dimension of the shop with the saw approximately centered. The door is fortunately positioned in line with the miter station. There will ALWAYS be "that one cut" that makes you scratch your head. LOL
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    Back to your question on ceiling heights. How long is the lumber you use? I typically use 10' or 11' lengths and am always hitting my ceiling which is about 9.5' tall. My preference, and what I am putting in my shop I am building, is for just over 12'. That will provide room to move 12' tall boards when needed. Don't forget about light fixtures. They will hang down another 3-5 inches, depending on what you put use. If you only use 8' long boards, then a 10' ceiling should work, but still at some point you will still wish it was higher.
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    My shop is long and narrow, 24x14. I like having my crosscut equipment along the long side - with hardwood on the wall above it. Even with roughly 12 foot on each side, I run out of room sometimes. I am putting crown molding up at the moment, for instance, and am using my older 10 inch CMS I can easily move around due to the 16 foot molding. I have a lot of drawers, about 12 foot run, but also put tools along this long wall but the tops are at the same height as the bench the saws are on. The tools are also on wheels so they can move out of the way. My shop layout has the table saw and a work table (3x6) in the middle and the other tools around the edges. I have done this in two successive shops and I like the arrangement. I do not have to move tools for the typical rips and crosscuts but do to use the planner, jointer, router table (on more than a tiny piece) but since they are on wheels moving them is not a huge deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lightstone View Post
    True, dat.
    Yeah... I don't think they realize that for the most part, the "flood zone" is everything south of I-10. Although I've often fantasized of a workshop/treehouse... if for nothing else, the irony of chopping wood IN a tree.

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    OK, I'll post updated plans a little later. I'm still hoping for someone to let me know that my space between machines is adequate. I'll post some measurements with the plans later.

    I've reconfigured the entrance which has given me some additional width around the drum sander. I originally chose the Jet 22-44 Pro to get the 3HP motor, plus I'll need it to be moveable. Now I think I can put in something a little larger, and stationary.

    What do people think of the Woodmaster 3875, or 3875-X2 drum sanders? I won't have the room for a true wide belt sander, as much as I'd love one. I think the 50" width model would be pushing the space I have for it, though it would be tempting.

    Is the Woodmaster a step up from the Jet 3HP version? I like the DRO in the Jet (I love the one I installed in my present Jet 16/32, but I guess I could install one in the Woodmaster too, though one more thing to have to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lightstone View Post
    OK, I'll post updated plans a little later. I'm still hoping for someone to let me know that my space between machines is adequate. I'll post some measurements with the plans later.
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    Alan, I can tell you what I did to determine the space between machines. First of all, I made a scale layout from a large piece of paper with paper footprint cutouts for each machine, workbench, etc. Then I positioned them all for my first cut. To determine the desired and minimum space between machines (to give enough room for walking and carrying things) I stacked up some big cardboard boxes to represent a couple of machines and walked and moved things between them to see what felt comfortable. I cut paper circles for both the desired and minimum and "walked" the circles through my shop layout, adjusting things as needed.

    I also made cutouts for infeed and outfeed space so I wouldn't have any unpleasant surprises. I made many floor plan variations before locking in a design. During the process I even decided to adjust some walls and door positions. (I did this planning after I decided on the building size but before I started building.) It was good to do this before planning the wiring and lighting as well.

    layout_paper_2.jpg

    To me, it was far easier and quicker to move pieces of paper around than to do this on my computers even though I had high-end CAD and modeling software and the expertise to use it efficiently.

    JKJ

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    I believe Grizzly has some free software that plans your shop layout around their tools and the space needs. Your similar size tools should need similar spaces.
    Bill D

    on edit:
    I have no idea if this is any good or not. but hey its free. So be thankful.

    http://www.grizzly.com/workshopplanner

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    OK, been playing around with designs. I have two tentative possibilities. I'd love comments as to which people think is better.

    The first design has a significant amount of room around the jointer, planer, and table saw. The drum sander will have to be on wheels and move forward for long boards. This will necessitate a smaller model (Jet 22-44 Pro).

    The second design puts the jointer and planer back to back with the drum sander on a longer wall. Potentially I could buy a larger drum sander like the Woodmaster 3875. I could also put a small, moveable panel saw on the wall by the door. But the outfeed might be too tight by the planer, and the walking room between tools is much tighter.

    What do you all think?


    Workshop Layout v1 23 Nov 17.jpg
    Workshop Layout v2 23 Nov 17.jpg

    OK, I've added some dimensions to the drawings above.
    Last edited by Alan Lightstone; 11-23-2017 at 10:01 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Lightstone View Post
    OK, been playing around with designs....
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    If you plan to work on long boards maybe the table saw could be moved slightly (up and left) to line up with the double door when needed. I don't see dimensions to know what space is allowed. Also, perhaps it is possible to make use of space out a window for occasional long stock on some machine.

    I've seen where some people raise some machines a few inches so in/out feed can go over other tools, for example to let the jointer/planer feeds go over the tablesaw and bench in the second picture.

    The SCMS space looks tight. Any chance it could be positioned on the other end by the closet so long boards could extend out the door towards the steps? Most if the time I use mine to cut towards the end of long boards, not in the middle. If I need to cut in the middle I use a hand-held saw then trim the ends with the SCMS.

    You might draw rectangles to represent both the longest and typical boards and stock you plan to work and place them in the drawing. Might need to measure and indicate the position of the cutters on each machine.

    JKJ

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    OK, I've added dimensions to the drawings above. Hopefully that will makes things easier to look at.

    Thanks again.
    - After I ask a stranger if I can pet their dog and they say yes, I like to respond, "I'll keep that in mind" and walk off
    - It's above my pay grade. Mongo only pawn in game of life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Dufour View Post
    I believe Grizzly has some free software that plans your shop layout around their tools and the space needs. Your similar size tools should need similar spaces.
    Bill D

    on edit:
    I have no idea if this is any good or not. but hey its free. So be thankful.

    http://www.grizzly.com/workshopplanner
    Bill:

    I played with it, even though I hate activating java. The problem is the unusual dimensions of the workshop. The equipment looks nice, but I don't think it will work for me. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
    - After I ask a stranger if I can pet their dog and they say yes, I like to respond, "I'll keep that in mind" and walk off
    - It's above my pay grade. Mongo only pawn in game of life.

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