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11-13-2009, 6:15 PM
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Lie Nielsen planes
Is there a difference between the iron planes and the bronze panes besides the bronze one is prettier? I am working on a Christmas list and thinking about a LN #102 (I think that is how you put it). I am newish to woodworking and definitely new hand tools. Thanks.
CHuck 
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#2
11-13-2009, 6:42 PM
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Biggest differences....bronze will not rust, and is heavier. Keep in mind that either version will have an iron blade that still needs to get a light coating of oil or wax once and awhile to prevent rust if you are in a humid environment. Also, some say the bronze feels different (warmer?) in their hands.
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11-13-2009, 6:44 PM
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The Bronze planes are a bit heavier and of course Bronze doesn't rust. But bronze does tend to take on a patina over time and can (reportedly) leave marks on the wood. I have several LN planes and only one has the bronze body (a skew block plane). I also have all three of the Boggs spokeshaves which have bronze bodies and I have never seen them leave marks on my projects.
Personally, I wouldn't spend any more money to get the bronze body, because I just don't think it makes a functional difference.
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11-13-2009, 6:58 PM
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When you accidentally kick one off the yacht scaffolding, the bronze bodies bend while the iron bodies often crack.
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““Perhaps then, you will say, ‘But where can one have a boat like that built today?’ And I will tell you that there are still some honest men who can sharpen a saw, plane, or adze...men (who) live and work in out of the way places, but that is lucky, for they can acquire materials for one third of city prices. Best, some of these gentlemen’s boatshops are in places where nothing but the occasional honk of a wild goose will distract them from their work.” -- L Francis Herreshoff
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11-13-2009, 7:45 PM
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11-13-2009, 9:22 PM
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One more vote for the bronze.
Only cause it's prettier.....
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11-13-2009, 9:31 PM
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They really are pretty...
I can't walk by the display case at Woodcraft without being drawn to them like a moth to a porch light.
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11-13-2009, 9:37 PM
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11-13-2009, 10:25 PM
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If you go to the faq section at Lie-Nielsen they have some interesting answers.
http://www.lie-nielsen.com/faq.php "2. Why do you make many of your tools out of Bronze?" "I had heard good things about Ductile Iron and liked the way it machined, so I decided to see how tough our planes are. I took a machined No. 5 body casting out in the shop and threw it up to the 14-foot ceiling. The casting bounced on the cement floor but was not damaged. I did this many times but only succeeded in dinging it up." Is your yacht higher than 14'? LOL
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11-13-2009, 10:38 PM
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Opinion: The rust prevention is worth the $20. A great plane, that 102.
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11-13-2009, 10:49 PM
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““Perhaps then, you will say, ‘But where can one have a boat like that built today?’ And I will tell you that there are still some honest men who can sharpen a saw, plane, or adze...men (who) live and work in out of the way places, but that is lucky, for they can acquire materials for one third of city prices. Best, some of these gentlemen’s boatshops are in places where nothing but the occasional honk of a wild goose will distract them from their work.” -- L Francis Herreshoff
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11-13-2009, 11:17 PM
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11-14-2009, 1:28 AM
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I own both materials on LN planes (140 Bronze; 60-1/2 Iron). If I could go back and make my 140 Iron I would.
Only Iron "rusts", but all metals oxidize and bronze does leave a residue (stain), and to me personally it is not worth it, I think iron planes are pretty enough as it is to need any more glitter/bling. I must also say that they stain only for a few strokes and only after not being used for a while (which is the case of my 140). That said, I would never get a smoother made of bronze, other planes I guess not as critical since stains will be removed later. just my $0.02 /p
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11-14-2009, 9:54 AM
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And, while L-N recommends bronze polish for shining these up again, a quick wipe with Laquer Thinner will entirely remove the surface oxidation. And, while it is true that both the iron bodied planes and the bronze bodied planes will oxidize, the process is different. Bronze/brass will develop an oxidation layer that actually slows down or prevents further oxidation, while rust on iron and steel will actually accelerate further rusting, and can, if left unattended, start pitting the iron surface.
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11-14-2009, 3:52 PM
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