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    Lessons Learned – Ipe Bench Revisited.

    Ever swing a baseball bat against a brick wall?
    Lessons Learned – Ipe Bench Revisited.

    After seeing my original bench posting now linked in the Neander FAQ’s sticky thread I thought it might be helpful to add an update on lessons learned from that experiment and some photos of the revised bench.
    http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=24001

    bench overview a.jpg

    Lesson 1: A cleanly jointed 90 degree edge on an ipe board can produce deadly fine splinters and needle like slivers of wood.

    Lesson 2: If building the top on a stable sub-base (MDF door), use only one continuous section of the MDF. Splitting the MDF door down its length allowed me to put dog holes down the middle (and sides) which were through solid wood. Unfortunately, this made the final top a lamination of 5 separate sub-laminations of varying thickness and with slightly varying movement characteristics.

    Lesson 3: Screwing the 240+ pound table top down to the two cross members only at the centers of each member seemed like a reasonable method for allowing wood expansion/contraction without binding. Unfortunately, uneven tensions caused by lesson 2 (above) resulted in the top bowing up at the edges (approx 1/8 inch or so).

    cross section original bench.jpg

    Lesson 4: Glue creep is real. Lesson 3 resulted in large sections of the top being suspended slightly above the cross supports Unfortunately, the white and yellow glues did not like this situation. So after a few months, the heavier outside edges (~50 lbs of 4 laminated 1x4’s) began to slide back down.

    Lesson 5: My limited experience with epoxy and ipe was even worse. The epoxy did not creep, it cracked. This could be related to oils in the wood or the stresses involved in the way I clamped the final stage of assembling / joining two 120 pound slabs of wood. In either case, after dis-assembly, re-jointing, and re-assembly of the failed joint, I repaired it with regular Titebond.

    cross section present bench.jpg

    Lesson 6: If you like ugly gouges in your ipe boards or tabletop, just try to smooth or flatten it with a hand plane. I’m certain the guru-status members of the neander group can plane it, but mere mortals should use a belt sander.

    Lesson 7: Any oil you add to the table top will eventually seep back out over a period of weeks and months, leaving oil stains on other boards, papers, or cloth laying on the workbench.

    Lesson 8: Random orbital sanding the naked top up to 600 grit will leave a polished finish that is hard to beat. No oil, poly, or shellac necessary.

    Lesson 9: Although I started with ipe decking that was surfaced on four sides, the round-over edges on the boards results in a significant loss in plank width after squaring up the edges. Which leads to . .

    Lesson 10: Start with thicker boards. My final build is now 52 boards wide! This increases the likelihood of alignment errors, which certainly added to the work of flattening the top.

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    Lesson 11: Flattening the top with a router worked well, but be sure to have some very stiff / sturdy rails for the router to ride on. Over the length of a long table, even two vertical 1x6’s can bow a little with the weight of a heavy router and a tired woodworker pushing and leaning on the router.

    Lesson 12: Prepare the underside of the bench top for any and all possible vise configuration you might be planning to install BEFORE you mount the top to the base. Ipe is hard to cut, chisel, or saw. It is even harder when you are laying on your back working under the bench.

    emmert open a.jpg

    Lesson 13: After widening the bench and adding several vises, including a 90 pound Emmert turtleback, the weight of the top has become a bit unwieldy for use with the Noden Adjust-A-Bench features. I need a base like Mr. Pan’s new bench.

    Lesson 14: When you were a kid, did you ever swing a baseball bat against a brick wall or sidewalk? It is not something you ever do twice, unless you’re entering your second childhood like me. I thought I’d see which was tougher, my ipe bench or my ipe mallet head with hickory handle. Don’t do it.

    In summary;
    I like the bench, and it still looks good when I clean it. But if I were to build another, I’d probably build a variation on one of the Chris Schwarz benches; like maybe an 8 or 10 ft Holtzapffel with a twin wooden-screw vise and the BenchCrafted wagon tail vise.

    Thanks for lookin,
    rick
    Last edited by rick fulton; 04-06-2009 at 2:39 PM. Reason: another lesson: proof read before you post!
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    That is one sweet workbench you have there. Using a wood species such as this will really spruce up a workshop. I bet you smile every time you walk into the shop. I have heard that ipe is a bear to work with, and will eat up saw blades and any other cutting tool. Thanks for the tutorial.

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    Dangit!! Now I have to go to the shop and burn my old bowling alley topped bench. Why do ya have to embarass me this way? (Kiddin' of course.)
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    I trimmed out my assembly table / outfeed table with ipe. It's really horrible wood to work with but ends up looking very nice. My blades are sad.

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    I really identify with lesson #13. I love my Noden Adjust-a-Bench legs, but it is possible to add too many vises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill White View Post
    Dangit!! Now I have to go to the shop and burn my old bowling alley topped bench. Why do ya have to embarass me this way? (Kiddin' of course.)
    Bill
    Don't do it Bill. You're OK. My bench is 3" of laminated MDF .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill White View Post
    Dangit!! Now I have to go to the shop and burn my old bowling alley topped bench. Why do ya have to embarass me this way? (Kiddin' of course.)
    Bill
    Quote Originally Posted by glenn bradley View Post
    Don't do it Bill. You're OK. My bench is 3" of laminated MDF .
    Bill, I agree with Glenn. Those bowling alley wood benches (and tables) look great, and I'm sure they work as good as they look. I remember some posts of a bowling alley wood bench, but cannot find a picture of it in a quick search of SMC. Can you post a link to your workbench photos? Thanks! rick
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    HI Rick,

    Thanks for the interesting and informative posting. I am not familiar with Mr. Pan's bench. Can you tell me more about it or add a link? Thanks, Charlie

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    I think most of your problem was ipe that was not dry enough. this is a problem with ipe decking. it is hard to find ipe lumber. ipe takes a long time to dry out. once it is dry it is pretty stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie Kocourek View Post
    HI Rick,
    Thanks for the interesting and informative posting. I am not familiar with Mr. Pan's bench. Can you tell me more about it or add a link? Thanks, Charlie
    It seems Wilbur has not posted to his workbench thread in a while. At the time I started this thread he was mortising the 5x5 legs of his workbench in this thread;
    http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=102141

    His will be one very stout bench for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve knight View Post
    I think most of your problem was ipe that was not dry enough. this is a problem with ipe decking. it is hard to find ipe lumber. ipe takes a long time to dry out. once it is dry it is pretty stable.
    Hi Steve,

    Are you referring to problems with gluing, cupping, planing, finishing, or all the above? ;-)

    How do you flatten the soles of your planes when using an ipe sole? I could not plane the wood worth a darn. If drying helps then maybe I should try again since the bench and my stock are now a few years older and drier.
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  12. Hi Rick (and group), I am new to this site and this is my first post. I am a novice woodworker. I was very excited to find and read the ipe workbench posts because I am in the process of building an ipe countertop (42"x78"). My plan is to build the top from 2x6 boards edge glued. I have noted your recommendations re: glue, oil finishes, slotted holes, etc. Do you have any specific advice as far as the following:

    Drying the wood, or other prep?
    Did you joint the wood on two sides or just cut the rounded ends square?
    Any concerns about edge gluing 5" wide boards? i.e., cupping etc?
    How about aligning the strips? I was planning on biscuiting the boards for alignment.
    Any problems with machining?

    I'm excited to get started on this project and any advice you can pass along would be hugely appreciated.

    BTW, I'm in MN and the humidity has been sky high the last couple of weeks. I was planning on stacking stock in the air conditioned house on sticks for approx a month before beginning to remove some moisture.

    Steve Kadisak

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