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I don't know where I got this plane, but have had it for a few years now and it's just sat gathering dust.
Anyway, it is a Lakeside R-7. I took it apart last night and started cleaning it up.
Any experience with this plane? It's pretty old, but looks to be in great shape.
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I had a Lakeside #5 at one time. I was a good plane. I donated it to a friend for their use. They are a homeowner, not a wood worker.
Is the R-7 the same as a Stanley #7?
I think Lakeside may have been an early Wards brand.
jim
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I know this is old thread, but header is just right, so I continue to here.
I saw one Lakeside no.5 plane here in one place which is selling old stuff. My interesting was waked up, when I saw there was "Made in USA" casted at front. I made little bit seaching and find out that Lakeside was Montgomery Wards brands made by Stanley.
When these planes were made? Are those old or really old or newer that I could think? Is there any catalog of those in internet? If not at Lakeside planes then Wards generally.
I want to know little bit more about these and Wards other planes too. First when I noticed that Wards brand was some Jims posts where he is using his Wards Master 45. But that is almost all I know about those.
And if I become very interested, I go to get that plane with me next time.
BR,
TR
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Although this is a bit of thread drift, I've got a Wards Master smoothing plane that's an excellent tool. I don't know if the Master series was consistently good or spotty; but, if you find one in the wild, don't just walk by it, but have a look at it.
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Without seeing images of the tools it would be impossible to tell when they were made or to confirm they may have been made by Stanley.
My recollection of the Lakeside #5 I gave to a friend was it was built like a Stanley type 13 or 14. That has been almost a decade ago at this time.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Weren't the "R-" series by Rochester?
I do have a Master Quality from Wards.....same as a WW2 era Stanley. Decent enough little #3
My Wards #78 is also by Stanley.
Just like Ohio Tool Co. put a "0" ahead of their numbers ( like the 0-7 I have) Rochester used an "R-" on their planes.
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Okei, so there are no specific era when Lakesides or other Wards planes are made? I take some pictures, if I turned to go buy that plane.
Is that so, all Wards planes are not made by Stanley? Which manufacturers was made those?
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Most large retailers like Wards, Penny's, Sears et al would put the contracts for their tools and other stock out to bid. Whoever submitted the best offer would make them.Originally Posted by Tomi Rosso
Sometimes different manufactures would have a separate name on their planes like Hercules for Sargent and Dunlap for Millers Falls. Not sure if Lakeside was a Stanley exclusive brand name or not. It may be the other names were also not exclusive.
The pursuit of money can make a business or its people do strange things.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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Lakeside is one of the Hardware store brand names and there are actually folks who collect Lakeside planes to the exclusion of other badges.
Dave Anderson
Chester, NH
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Well, of course there are. There are people who collect dishwashers, after all...
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Millers Falls also made much Craftsman, Fulton, some stuff for others like P&C, etc. They never made Lakesides. I thought those were always Stanley?
At any rate, they were meant for homeowners but are quite good enough for use in our shops. As for period, I *guess* around the 50's, pretty sure it was after WWII.
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I have a lakeside transitional plane that sure looks part for part identical to a stanley transitional I have, branding excepted. I have both lakeside and wards master chisels- the lakeside seem to be the "higher end" in terms of fit and finish. Both are excellent steel and quite well made.
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I made little more searching just at coffeebreak. I found a picture of later type Union from Don's webpage. Casted body looked identical.
That Lakeside had Union look a like twisted lateral. That gives me on imput to search Union pictures more. Don had picture of Union body with exactly same "Made in USA" at front and No 5 at back. No other markings on casting. No casted ring under knob. Frog looked at same from the back. Keyhole levercap. Lakeside logo at same kind of rectanle as Union is. Levercap looks quite much same, only name is different.
Would be interesting to see what is under the iron and frog. Does it looks after that also identical.
That could be quite reasonable if Stanley made all Lakesides. That spesific item could be made from Union parts.
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Stanley bought Union Plane Company in 1920. Not sure the Lakeside name predates that.
Stanley made some planes using a twisted lateral adjusting lever.
To the best of my knowledge all of the Union lateral levers use a disk to engage with the blade. Early models have the disk above the pivot rivet. Later models are below the rivet.
Stanley and others also used a bend in the metal to replace the disk. This is a less expensive way to make a lateral adjusting lever.
jtk
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
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The "R" in the stamped number is what Rochester used on the planes they made.....so it would be a Rochester R-7 and #7 sized jointer plane.
The Remington ones were by stanley. The twisted lever for the lateral was either a Union ( until Stanley used them all up after the buyout) or an Ohio Tool Co. made plane. Sargent also used the twisted lateral lever.
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