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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Roehl
    Christian, just based on what I read on the Festool website, I was concerned that the Festool hoses and accessories were entirely proprietary and not compatible with anything around. I think in this case it's different from the Metabo guide rail/Bosch router combo you mention. Pretty much all the locally available shop vacuums (I'm guessing this is true across the U.S., but I haven't been in all borgs) and their accessories are compatible within either the 1.25" or 2.5" domains. In other words, if I go buy a ShopVac brand vac with a 2.5" outlet, at any time if I need a particular hose or accessory for it, I could run to Sears and get a Craftsman 2.5" hose or accessory. Insert whatever brands you like for the ShopVac and Craftsman (those are two of the biggest sellers, I believe). I was just concerned because of the dimensions listed online (22mm, 27mm, etc.) for Festool, that they weren't playing the same game. Others have answered that question that Festool accessories are indeed compatible without a Rube Goldberg string of adapters.

    As for the remark about the 120V/U.S. design, I was pointing out that where you are in Europe, 220V is the standard, no? So my though is that the U.S. market would get a different design from Festool anyway, why not tailor it a little more closely to the U.S. market? After all, Japanese automakers don't sell us very many right-hand drive cars (only in very rare exceptions), though that's the standard on their islands. In other words, they could have made the dust port on the tools themselves compatible with commonly available hoses in the U.S., without the need for their proprietary grommet.
    Jason,

    I can completely understand that you would appreciate more compatibility of Festool vacs with common US vac equipment. But IMO this aspect doesn’t affect whether a Festool vac is worth its money or not.
    You might want to contact Festool on this one but I wonder if the Festool vacs were primarily designed as general purpose shop vacs or as dust extractor hooked up to power tools.
    Anyway, the Festool vacs do an excellent job as shop vacs, yes, they might need (I haven’t tried to use other brands) Festool accessories.
    The common US shop vacs are apparently not designed for usage combined with power tools, otherwise they’d provide the auto on/off feature, for example. Now some people might say that they can buy a MasterSlave device for a few bucks which does everything they want. Yep, it will work but would it be convenient for someone who does a lot of onsite work to carry this separate unit around with him?
    Regarding dust extraction from power tools, can you hook up a Milwaukee circular saw, a PC sander, a Dewalt biscuit joiner and a Hitachi router to a PC shop vac without any problems (fitting) and additional accessories (adapters)?
    I know that for example Bosch required adapters within its own line (Bosch vac + Bosch power tool).

    As for our voltage, it was changed to 230 V years ago but this didn’t mean any differences in general usage at least I didn’t notice:-)

    Festool could probably adapt their design to common US hoses, nozzles and other accessories but I guess that you miss one important point:
    Festool has designed their hoses to fit Festool power tools (without any troubles and additional adapters) and I can’t imagine that the majority of Festool users would want to give up this advantage for the ability to use some basic accessories.
    Regards,

    Christian
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  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hogoboom
    Hey Christian,

    Sounds like an arbitrage opportunity. Can you convert 120v into what you need in Austria? If so, make us a list and we'll buy the tools here and send them over there to you. $451 for a Dewalt drill sounds crazy enough to take all the fun out of being a woodworker in Europe. I can't believe the Festool prices are worse there than here. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

    Maybe if we send you enough tools, you can send us back a Mercedes-Benz.

    Jack
    Hi Jack,

    those are some interesting suggestions. I don't know what is required to use 120 V tools here. We have 230 V/50 Hz, you have 120 V/60 Hz. Due to my lack of knowledge I don't know about the importance of the different Hertz ratings. A Voltage converter or whatever would be required might be an option in the shop but certainly not for mobile use.
    Add costs for shipping and a certain percentage of customs and the great advantage might be gone, at least regarding Festools.
    As for cordless tools, if the only difference between US and European tools is the charger importing them could be interesting.

    Shipping a Benz wouldn't be a problem but make sure that it's really cheaper here.

    Christian
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    And I have nothing else to do,
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    That who is what and what is who."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Peacock
    I am reviewing the ATF55 now.....I actually have it ready to post....I'm just not so sure I want to any more. I don't like SMC having fires to stomp out.
    Hey, Dennis, I don't have any opinions on the ATF55...so go ahead and post the review. I thought we had a good discussion going there on the vacuums.
    Jason

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  4. #64
    OH BOY Dennis..................you have Jason's blessings to post the next Festool Review. Now, isn't THAT special. I've seen enough here lately..............I'm outta here. I can be found at the woodworkers forums.............folks are decent to each other there.

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    whewwww... no offense Kevin but if this is a harsh thread, you oughta see some of the other forums

    Nice job Dennis... I'm struck by the similarities to my "old" (maybe 5 years) Porter Cable vac, even the cleaning mechanism sounds identical. Wonder if Festool made it for them. Heyyyyyyyy, that would make me a (gulp) Festool owner

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Gerstenecker
    OH BOY Dennis..................you have Jason's blessings to post the next Festool Review. Now, isn't THAT special. I've seen enough here lately..............I'm outta here. I can be found at the woodworkers forums.............folks are decent to each other there.
    Gee, Kevin, I hope this is tongue-in-cheek but I don't see any smilies....
    Wood: a fickle medium....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian Aufreiter
    Hi Jack,

    those are some interesting suggestions. I don't know what is required to use 120 V tools here. We have 230 V/50 Hz, you have 120 V/60 Hz. Due to my lack of knowledge I don't know about the importance of the different Hertz ratings. A Voltage converter or whatever would be required might be an option in the shop but certainly not for mobile use.
    Add costs for shipping and a certain percentage of customs and the great advantage might be gone, at least regarding Festools.
    As for cordless tools, if the only difference between US and European tools is the charger importing them could be interesting.

    Shipping a Benz wouldn't be a problem but make sure that it's really cheaper here.

    Christian
    When I lived in England, I purchased some transformers in order to be able to use the power tools (drill, jig saw, and sander) and other things (blender, food mixer, vacuum, hair drier, etc) that we took with us. Everything worked fine. As I recall, the transformers cost about 15 pounds each.

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    Hey, Dennis, here's the bottom line of what I was trying to get at throughout this thread: I had some perceptions about the Festool vac (some of them turned out to be wrong--hose compatibility and all--and eventually my perceptions were straightened out). I don't have a Festool vac on hand to test them out. You do. I apologize if I came across as having a burr under my saddle, but I really don't and that wasn't my intention. I just have a minor frustration with the sander as it relates to the dust extraction feature, which is somewhat related.
    Jason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Roehl
    Hey, Dennis, here's the bottom line of what I was trying to get at throughout this thread: I had some perceptions about the Festool vac (some of them turned out to be wrong--hose compatibility and all--and eventually my perceptions were straightened out). I don't have a Festool vac on hand to test them out. You do. I apologize if I came across as having a burr under my saddle, but I really don't and that wasn't my intention. I just have a minor frustration with the sander as it relates to the dust extraction feature, which is somewhat related.
    Jason,

    Thanks. What really set me off was:

    "I often feel that someone with a new tool in hand is a poor reviewer (sorry, Dennis), because we all get that giddy, "little kid at Christmas" feeling when we get a new tool."

    I got over "giddy" years ago. I have reviewed tools and taught people how to use various tools over the last several years and new tools are cool....but certainly not a vac and a saw.

    In a ww forum....wording is EVERYTHING since we can't do true voice tone inflection by typing. Let's consider this case closed.
    Thanks & Happy Wood Chips,
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    Ahhh...there we go, Dennis...now that you point it out, I see how it was taken. I suppose I could have worded that better. I didn't mean that YOU were necessarily "giddy," I meant that oftentimes a reviewer is excited to have a new tool in hand and can unknowingly overlook the negatives, and I approach reading a review with that (potential) bias in mind. Just think of it as defending your doctoral dissertation, Dennis--and you did quite well, along with the help of some others who chimed in.
    Jason

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    Now that everything is again right with the world, can someone get Kevin to come back? I hope he was joking. Was he??????

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    NO...I'm afraid he wasn't kidding.
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    After re-reading this entire thread I feel obligated as the Moderator for this forum to comment on it's content.

    First of all I would like to thank Dennis for the effort he put forward in reviewing this tool. I think he did a good job in his evaluation of a tool by a "first time" user of that tool. As Dennis has said: "I wasn't reviewing how Festool stuff hooks up to other tools. Just the vac and it's own accessories"


    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Peacock
    To be honest here guys. I don't feel that I can do any more tool reviews here
    I hope this is not true Dennis. If it is I think I will consider coming to Arkansas and burning your shop down

    Continuing on: These type of reviews will always have supporters of the reviewer's evaluation and dissenters as is apparent in this one. I believe most of the responses, and I emphasize most were beneficial to the discussion. However there were some responses which were inappropriate. There were also replies which were completely off topic to the subject of the thread.

    Some of the posts in this thread clearly were in violation of the Terms of Service. To wit:

    2. Disagreements, Flaming, and Personal or Professional Attacks
    Disagreements are almost certain to occur. Members shall be respectful of dissenting opinions and refrain from name-calling, personal or professional attacks. Messages that contain critical content must provide all factual information pertinent to the problem and enough data to support any claims or complaints.


    I will say again as I have in the past:

    "Please, Lets all try to put our brain in gear before putting our keyboard in motion"

    Membership and participation in the SMC forums in strictly a choice and is not mandated by some "higher being". I think the vast majority of our members are decent, considering and thoughtful people. Anyone who believes otherwise has the option of notifying the Administration that they would like to have their name removed from the membership.

    I hope what has happened here does not deter anyone else from posting a tool review. I feel we can all learn from these reviews and the discussions that result from them. Keep the reviews coming.


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    Thanks, Ken! Very well stated.
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    Ken, thanks from me also.

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