It's too bad...

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Well...Bruce...you got the big part right.....

and frankly I'm getting too old to work floors on an oil rig and have always been scared of heights so being a derrick hand wasn't even an option. My meat hooks used to leave fingerprints in steel whenever I had to go up in the derrick to help the derrick hand retrieve a drill collar that got away from him!

[Tom Veatch]

... My meat hooks used to leave fingerprints in steel whenever I had to go up in the derrick to help the derrick hand retrieve a drill collar that got away from him!

(and getting seriously off topic)

Yeah, but you did it. And that's the mark of courage. Too many people equate fearlessness with courage. 'Tain't so. Courage is working through the fear to perform the mission. Don't take courage to do something you're not afraid to do.

[Richard Dragin]

Shouldn't this thread be in the off topic section? How ironic.

[Joe Leigh]

I'm not so sure the deletion was called for. I read every post in that thread and I know the post that instigated it's removal. The poster did respond fervidly and was posting his opinion as were others, he even offered to show where others could obtain the same info that preceded his emotional response. Did he push the envelope? Maybe. But he obviously is a passionate woodworker, as are many of us .This is a topic that could potentially have great financial impact on each one of us and one that I believe needs further discussion here.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

Joe,

The thread had deteriorated to people calling other people names. That type of incivility violates the TOS here at SMC and will not be allowed.

Once peoples emotions or actions deteriorate to that level there is little informational exchange happening. It just becomes a juvenile shouting match.

IF people could discuss it and allow others to have a dissenting opinion and be treated respectfully in that opinion the discussion would have continued.

Unfortunately some don't play nicely.

When it becomes too much work to edit a thread, we just move it as it's value no longer warrants the work involved.

[Joe Cunningham]

They even have a Church/State/Money secton within OT. I never go there, but the tales are legendary. Even OT isn't enough at times and they just begin banning people and deleting threads.

The interweb can be a crazy place at times.

ADV. Those threads get pretty nasty. I for one am glad SMC keeps things on a tight leash, I really don't like wading through lots of bickering to get information.

[Paul Steiner]

I teach high school shop class, i get enough of name calling at work. +1 for the mods keeping it civil.

[Mitchell Andrus]

None of you have any idea how vile and hateful a forum can get until you've been to a certain saxophone player's forum.

Musicians are a self-centered, opinionated bunch and the poop REALLY hits the fan when you even hint that the axe, mouthpiece, reed, music that someone 's been playing all of their life, sucks.

Flame-retardant suits are sold wholesale there, and the vendors sell hot dogs, beer and popcorn to the spectators.

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[JohnT Fitzgerald]

...when a contentious subject is brought up on the Creek and the thread turns into a nasty argument and the mods have to delete it. These discussions could be very constructive even if there is never a true meeting of the minds.

I agree David. Things seemed reasonably civil when I last checked in, but it appears things went downhill. My apologies for raising a contentious thread, I though it would foster some good discussion.

[John Harden]

ADV. Those threads get pretty nasty.

Yeah. Every once in awhile I'll poke my head in CSM, though I never post. People there can be, shall we say, passionate?

[Greg Pavlov]

...when a contentious subject is brought up on the Creek and the thread turns into a nasty argument and the mods have to delete it. These discussions could be very constructive even if there is never a true meeting of the minds.

It's also too bad when you find one of your posts erased without any clue from the moderator as to why.

[Clarence Miller]

is this the lawsuit thread?

[Dave Johnson29]

is this the lawsuit thread?

I am guessing so as I had a couple of posts that have gone missing. Last night when I quit it was pretty benign I thought.

The Mods should just lock it so we can see what we shouldn't be doing.

I wonder if the Mods contact the offending parties to let them know they crossed a line. If not, it seems like a futile step just deleting it and pretending the thread never existed.

[Ken Fitzgerald]

I will caution everyone about commenting about Moderator's activities in public.

Keith has made it perfectly clear Moderator activities will not be discussed in public. If you have a disagreement, use PMs or emails to discuss it.

We never DELETE a thread. They are just moved to the Moderator's Forum where they are not viewable by the general public.

We never really delete a post. The post is not there for public viewing but we can see it...even if a Member or Contributor deletes his own post...be aware...it's still there.....just not viewable by the general public. We can see it.

I didn't move that thread last night. I was too busy responding to a member who had reported it. I would have moved it once I was finished replying to the Member or Contributor.

Moderators are invited unpaid volunteers. Most of us, if not all of us, have full time jobs. Keith and Jackie Outten, owners/administrators...have full time jobs and a business to run. The point is the entire staff is busy.

In cases where we have time, when we edit an individual post for a MAJOR violation, we PM that person explaining what was edited and why.

In cases where I remove inappropriate language/obscenties/profanties...minor abuses get edited and no notification. Major uses of profanities will be notified.....again if I have the time.

In the case of the that thread.....there was a level of incivility by enough posters that 1) it was no longer an exchange of ideas 2) it is unreasonable to expect an individual communication concerning that thread.

In short...you can disagree without being insulting ...or resorting to childish name calling.

[Paul Ryan]

I submitted a post last night that I thought may have ruffled a few feathers. But it was directed to no one in general and there was no name calling. Right after posting I went to bed so I was never able to read how it was responded to. I am a big boy and can handle a little debate. But if it wasn't ment to be than so be it. I understand the terms and conditions and try not to break them. If attacks get personal it doesn't need to be here, but if we disagree that should be allowed.