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Thread: Porter Cable - Good Bye USA!

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    Unhappy Porter Cable - Good Bye USA!

    In my "local" paper, The Jackson (TN) Sun, the front page story was Black & Decker moving 350 Porter Cable hand tool assembly jobs to Mexico and a Texas town on the Mexican border. The machining is staying in Jackson, for now.

    I guess it was just a matter of time before B&D would have to start reducing their operating costs to realize a return on their investment.

    Just a heads up for those of you who like to buy American.

    Dave

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    One by one American companies move production to China or Mexico. In a few years will there be any tools still American made? Is it impossible to keep factories viable and profitable in the US?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Hayes
    In my "local" paper, The Jackson (TN) Sun, the front page story was Black & Decker moving 350 Porter Cable hand tool assembly jobs to Mexico and a Texas town on the Mexican border. The machining is staying in Jackson, for now.

    I guess it was just a matter of time before B&D would have to start reducing their operating costs to realize a return on their investment.

    Just a heads up for those of you who like to buy American.

    Dave
    That's truly sad to hear.

    I was just thinking, how long will it be before Americans have to become illegal aliens in Mexico to find a job?
    Rich
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    The fox is continuing to steal our chickens at an alaming rate....soon there will not be any eggs to be found and how will we feed our families then ? Blaming the Government at that point will not ease the hunger pains.

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    I'm not going to say much, but my good friend in Chicago lost his job, as they are moving the Delta/PC service center to the DeWalt center down the street. This guy was a Ponder, and has helped many forum members behind the scenes. I don't even know what to say, but I hope for the best for him and the other folks that will soon be without work.

    John

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    Buy American!! - even if there are less expensive or more highly rated foreign products. As far as I can see, there is no other way. If companies realize we prefer to buy American, maybe they will think twice about moving and losing market share to those competitors who remain in the U.S.
    Ken

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    Ken,

    The only problem with "buy American" is how do we know if something is made in America these days. It is getting so hard to tell.

    It's a great idea though and I'm all for it.
    Marshall
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    A Stickley fan boy.

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    I would love to buy only American products. But, when you compare the cost of many items it is very difficult to do if you are budget minded....even if you are not budget minded. Many of the tools we discuss are perfect examples....but so are many of the goods at car dealers, grocery stores and other types of big box stores.

    The society over all is cost minded with high quality attached to that price(in other words: they want their cake and to eat it to). They want full benefits, good pay...but when it comes to spending money...they want the best they can get for their money...at the most competative price. If this was not true the jobs would be staying put right here.

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    Unhappy DeWalt

    The same is happening in Fayetteville NC at B&D/Dewalt manufacturing. Most of their products are being farmed out to China and Mexico. It sad to see it happen but you can thank Slick Willie and NAFTA.

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    I was trying to buy american in my purchase of a table saw, now that Delta has gone south with the uni, I can't, at least there is nothing that I've found that I can afford.

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    How long before?

    With fewer and fewer skills being passed from one generation to the next; How long before there are NO Americans left who know any skills??

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    I always read things like this with mixed feelings. For many of you here, this is a hobby. For me it is a living, and I depend on my tools to make that living. Quality and price are always factors when I am buying a tool. But I see it from the other side as well. Say I can build a table for $500. The person who is buying that table can choose to buy one that is just as serviceable for $100 by buying an imported factory made job with poor fit and finish made by someone who is getting less per week than I get per hour. They have the freedom to make that choice.

    But is it my right to demand that the customer buy my table? Is it my place to demand that the government subsidize my business, or force people to buy from me? I do not think so. This is a complicated and convoluted matter, but government controls are not going to solve the issue. The issue is the greed of our fellow man on the one hand, and the reality of life on the other. There are a lot of people who would like to own a table I made for $500, but simply cannot afford it. But they still need a table. I would like to keep my current style of living, so I do not come down in my price. Now I will not call that greed, but it is a factor in my business.

    So what do we do? Complain to politicians? Hah! There is very little if any honor or truth in politics. It is all about expeidiency and money, and it is the big companies who have the money. We can only vote with our wallets, keeping in mind that all of our fellow citizens have the very same rights we do, like it or not. If this issue really bothers you, think about it before you post asking where you can find the best price on [insert tool du jour here]. The best price is the one that keeps the local tool guy in business so that he can service your tool, feed his family, and keep the dollars here in the US of A. But we don't like to think like that, do we? Only when it comes to the other guy. I could go on and on, but there is not much more point to be made. For those of us who cherish our freedom - what we have left of it, we should not cry too loudly for control to be imposed on others, because if that happens, we will eventually be the other.

    Bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Johnson2
    I was trying to buy american in my purchase of a table saw, now that Delta has gone south with the uni, I can't, at least there is nothing that I've found that I can afford.
    Bob,

    The Delta Unisaw still has final assembly and machining in Jackson, TN. The Powermatic 66 is still assembled in the US, and if you like our friends up North, the General 10" cabinet saw is made in Canada.

    The announcement said Delta assembly and machining would remain in Jackson, TN. On a positive note the DeWalt compressor assembly and tank fabrication will move from Reynosa, Mexico, to the DeVilbiss facility in Jackson, TN.

    John

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    I am wondering how a country like Germany can maintain jobs and still sell their products internally at a higher cost?
    Of course its capitalism at work, companies want the lowest cost labor input, but what about the long term. I wonder if any American company sees past the next quarter?

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    I wanted to buy American so I bought a Toyota!Made in the USA!
    Jerry

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