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  1. #16
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    I was thinking about this and have a theory...

    In the Auto industry there's a liquid mask by 3M called Overspray Masking Liquid. Essentially its a water based liquid mask that dries to a thin film that will protect just about any surface from paint oversray and its water soluble. My theory is that you could coat the surface with this stuff then engrave, spray paint with a can of spray then when the paint is dry wash of the remaining mask... Job Done!

    Besides 3m there are lots of products out there that are used as liquid masks including the building industry that work on the same principal but I think finding one that's water soluable is the key. I also had the thought of mixing my own with some flour and metho with a bit of food colouring to make a brushable quick drying paste to act as a mask. Think here of the Cermark spray for Stainless Steel. When dry its a brittle coating that just washes off, yes totally different but I'm thinking here how it dries and sits on the surface.

    Anyway all of this is just theory and I haven't tried anything, but I thought I'd chuck it out there because sometimes the simplest things can lead to solutions.
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    Thats a good idea. Hadn't though of liquid mask.

    The 3M stuff sounds similar to the release agent used in fibreglass moulding (which is easy to get hold of cheaply).
    It is poly vinyl alcohol - sprays on in a thin film which dries to a plastic consistency and washes off with water afterwards.
    (Don't worry about the "vinyl" bit - there is no chlorine in it).

    I shall get some to use with a cheap Chinese Rowmark copy which is very difficult to clean up after engraving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven Cox View Post
    I was thinking about this and have a theory...

    In the Auto industry there's a liquid mask by 3M called Overspray Masking Liquid. Essentially its a water based liquid mask that dries to a thin film that will protect just about any surface from paint oversray and its water soluble. My theory is that you could coat the surface with this stuff then engrave, spray paint with a can of spray then when the paint is dry wash of the remaining mask... Job Done!
    Wouldn't the spray paint act as a new mask, protecting your water based mask from being washed off by the water?

    I seriously don't know.. so I'm asking. I haven't done it either.

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    I think that you could probably peel most of it off dry - taking the excess paint with it.
    The stuff doesn't stick hard and nothing sticks to it well after it has dried.
    I haven't tried it either, but it is definitely worth a go.
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    Hmmm... Seems liquid paint masks are more common than I first thought, hobbiests and artists seem to use them a lot. Try googling liquid paint mask you'll be amazed what's out there. There was even a company in the US that has one specifically for laser applications - strippablecoating.com For me though here in Australia I'll just try the hobby & arts supply shops first. I'm eager to try this so I'll post up some results with pics here as soon as I can.

    The artist masking fluids I saw were removed with an eraser without damaging the paper or canvas so I think that will be the first I'll try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Martin Boekers View Post
    Dee I didn't know there was such a beast! Thanks! I have been using just the IPI or Rowmark
    plastic albiet it carefully. I will add some of these blades to my tool kit!
    Martin,

    They are the best thing since sliced bread - I use the yellow ones, they are stiffer but more brittle. I use them on both acrylic and oil based paints on a wide variety of substrates - never fail! I never use the handle thingy, it does not give me the right angle since I use it rightways, wrongways and upside down sometimes! hahaha.
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    OK, I'm a newbie and just surfing the site to see what wonderful ideas and tips I can to expand my product lines.

    Question....did anyone try this? It's kind of cool and definitely wearable art.

    Thanks,

    Julie
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  8. #23
    Julie

    Welcome to SMC. That process is quite easy to do. I was also going to suggest waterproof print maker's ink available at art supply stores.
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  9. #24
    Nice find Dee. I love this forum for little tid-bits like this. I just ordered (25) of the plastic blades from Lee Valley.

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  10. #25
    Hi all,

    Look at web sites for window tinting. Plastic razor blades and all sorts of tools that can find an application in our workshops.

    Regards,
    Alexa

  11. #26
    Dee

    Following your tip I went to every conceivable store in St. Louis to find plastic razor blades. None had heard of them. I'll be shopping the internet again.
    Mike Null

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  12. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Null View Post
    Dee

    Following your tip I went to every conceivable store in St. Louis to find plastic razor blades. None had heard of them. I'll be shopping the internet again.

    Mike check auto parts stores as they are designed to remove decals.
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    Lowes lists them, and most any auto parts store should have them, probably good art stores as well.

    -Glen

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    100_3232.jpgI think it is the LazerMax product. I use it to make High School mascot earrings.
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  15. #30

    Smile

    Martin

    Here's what I said earlier:
    I went to every conceivable store in St. Louis to find plastic razor blades.
    That included auto supply stores.
    Mike Null

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