Special Needs Dog Question

[Bill Edwards(2)]

The only thing I didn't read is another layer of tech training.

A light or laser pointer to get his attentiom (to see your hand signals)

[Belinda Barfield]

I think you are already attached, Shawn. Ask your vet about a local rehab personal for animals, or a vet that specializes in rehabbing animals. We have several rehab people in our area that work primarily with wildlife, but the occasional abused animal as well. My vet is a rehab specialist. +1 on the collar bell.

[Brian Vaughn]

We've always taught our dogs both hand signals and voice commands, and they all responded to whichever one you used. Just remember to be consistent, and keep it simple. A dog will understand a hand pointing at them means "sit", and at the ground means "lay down", or that your hand up in a "stop" motion means stay, but if you get much more complicated, the dogs can get confused. You may think you're doing it exactly the same, but they will pick up on the difference. An example - we had a family friend that trained his dog to heel, and then sit if the master stopped walking. If the master then started walking again right foot first, the dog would keep walking. If the master started left foot first, the dog wouldn't move.

Last thing is that the buzz (Not shock!) collars will do wonders. But make sure you teach it (And it shouldn't be hard) that when it feels the buzz, it immediately runs to you. Just a day or two of repeatedly doing it then reward when it does come should be plenty.

Of all the things to deal with in a dog, deafness is probably low on my list of real problems...unless you wanted a guard dog, in which case, you've got the wrong breed

[Rich Engelhardt]

Choice is torment.

What choice???

If it's curtains for the pup if you don't keep it, then what kind of choice is that?

My wife pulled the same stunt on me after our Great Dane died.
I wanted no part of another dog for the same reason. Saying good bye to a dog is right up there with losing any other close family member.
My wife insisted she needed another dog, so, I gave in when she said she was going to look at one at the animal shelter.

I came home from work to find her and a bouncing ball of part Huskey, part who knows what in the family room.
I said, "I see you brought home a dog".
"Sort of", she replied and pointed to the corner of the room.

In the corner of the room was a shaking, terrified trembling "little peanut" dog.

Then my wife says, "This is number 47 and that's number 48. They were both on death row. Which ever one you don't want goes back and.....".

I mean,,,come on,,,who is that heartless??

I'd love to tll you this all had a story book ending..

Truth is though, "The Husk" was an unholy terror. He chewed any and everything in sight, did thousands of dollars of damage to the house and we had to drop nearly $3000.00 in vet bills for dental work for him. He chewed up 5 doorknobs and broke a bunch of teeth in the process. He chewed a big sliding patio door frame up so bad, the whole door fell out of the wall and into the back yard. He chewed up the door frame of the door from the family room to the garage so bad, the door fell out of the rough opening and into the family room. He chewed all the drywall off two 5' by 5' sections of the garage trying to get into the house so bad, I had to put sheet metal 4' up on the wall.
He chewed up a big section of the aluminum siding on the outside of the house trying to get in.
The chewing and damage all stopped as soon as I put in one of those doggy doors so he could come and go as he pleased.

The "little Peanut", even after 7 years with us, is still extremely shy around me and won't come anywhere near me unless my wife or the Husky are beside me.
She has emotional problems that are every bit as serious and deep as any physical ones. Lord only knows what abuse she went through and for how long.
I really doubt she'll ever "trust" me. Every time I pet her, she has a confused look in her eye like she half expects me to smack her instead.

Anyhow - that's my story and our two "specail needs" goof balls.
No doubt the Husky was disposed of becuse of the chewing & the little peanut due to some low life getting tired of beating her.

W/special needs some special rewards...

opps - I forgot...
My wife and I were talking about deaf or blind dogs the other week.
My wife made the comment that the dog probably doesn't know or care that it's blind or deaf, so why should any one else?
That's probably true.
I never thought of it that way.

[Larry Klaaren]

Yes that's right. I tell my clients their dog doesn't know it is abnormal to be blind or deaf. (I am a veterinarian.) Second thought, the only way to live life without being hurt is to live life without loving or being loved.

[Shawn Pixley]

Thanks to all who have commented. I really appreciate the advice.
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After doing a bit of research on deaf dogs I found a publication which links deafness to genetic characteristics. Piebald and Pie-eyed dogs have a statistically significant increase in Deafness.

"Congenital deafness has been reported for approximately 85 breeds, with the list growing at a regular rate (see list); it can potentially appear in any breed but especially those with white pigmentation. Deafness may have been long-established in a breed but kept hidden from outsiders to protect reputations. The disorder is usually associated with pigmentation patterns, where the presence of white in the hair coat increases the likelihood of deafness. Two pigmentation genes in particular are often associated with deafness in dogs: the merle gene (seen in the collie, Shetland Sheepdog, Dappled Dachshund, Harlequin Great Dane, American Foxhound, Old English Sheepdog, and Norwegian Dunkerhound among others) and the piebald gene (Bull Terrier, Samoyed, Greyhound, Great Pyrenees, Sealyham Terrier, Beagle, Bulldog, Dalmatian, English Setter). However, not all breeds with these genes have been reported to be affected...

...In the English Setter, English Cocker Spaniel, Australian Cattle Dog, and Bull Terrier, where fewer numbers of dogs have been hearing tested, the incidence appears to be about one third to one half that of Dalmatians. Unilateral or bilateral deafness is found in 75% of all white Norwegian Dunkerhounds, but the incidence in normal-color dogs is unknown. Other breeds with a high incidence are the Catahoula and Australian Shepherd. The incidence of all types of deafness in the general dog population is low, reported to be 2.56 to 6.5 cases per 10,000 dogs seen at veterinary school teaching hospitals, but these data predate the availability of hearing testing devices and so are much lower that actual values. Recognition of affected cases is often difficult, because unilaterally deaf dogs appear to hear normally unless a special test (the brainstem auditory evoked response, BAER) is performed; facilities to perform the BAER are usually only available at veterinary schools (see list)."

Dr. George M. Strain
Louisiana State University
Comparative Biomedical Sciences
School of Veterinary Medicine

As you can see he is both Piebald and Pie-eyed. The vet checked him out and he seems to have no other issues than the deafness. In fact, he seems very bright and eager to please. He is fastenated by birds and if we lived in the right area, would probably be a good hunting dog (more Pointer than Retreiver).

In any case, the little guy is adorable, and is heavily imprinted on LOML, so I suspect that unless the owner comes forward (which I think unlikely), we'll end up keeping him. He (and we) are rapidly learning a shared sign language. Furthermore, he wants to be a shop dog!

[Belinda Barfield]

Thanks for the update. A win-win all around.

[Larry Klaaren]

I have never had a client take advantage of that BAER test unless they were a breeder, or the breeder wants to investigate if it is congenital. When the owners first figure out they deaf, they come in and have issues, but they have always gotten attached to the dog and kept it. BTW, several referral hospitals do that here in the Chicago area, it is not just at the Vet schools. I think the incidence reported in your article is way low, I have several clients with dogs deaf since birth, and I don't think I have 10,000 clients. That was the number seen at vet schools, but I think most never get worked up for deafness.

[Shawn Pixley]

Larry,
Good points about both the BAER tests and the incidence. In regards to the incidence, I believe you are sincere and your personal experience is not in question. The problem with personal experience is that it may not be a statistically valid sample. For instance deaf dogs may be euthanized before or rather than bringing them to your attention. Conversely, you may be known as one who is more sympathetic, and consequently, more people bring their deaf dog to you. In either case, it is clear that you are knowledgable and caring. Thank you.

What I found most interesting, was the corrolation (not causation) of white pigmentation and piebald charateristics to deafness. In another life, I would be very interested in exploring the reasons behind this. I wonder what biomarkers there might be to identify this before breeding. In any case, we are attached the little guy and he is trying very hard to be a member of our pack. Thanks for your perspective.

[Jim O'Dell]

Yes, lack of pigment in dogs that have a basically white background coat do seem to be more prone to deafness. English setters and Dalmatians for instance. Show breeders try their best to breed away from that trait, but I don't think there has been a gene marker found for the cause. In Irish Setters, we have PRA...Progressive Retinal Atrophy. Usually by about 1 year old, the pup is either going or has gone blind. The IS Club of America, through it's health foundation, invested money into research and they were able to identify the marker, and develop a blood test for it. We can now determine if a dog is affected, a carrier, or genetically clear. It is a tremendous tool to make sure you don't produce blind puppies without having to do test breedings, or to limit the gene pool in your breeding program. We have bred 2 litters over the last 17 years. Both parents were genetically clear. Which means their offspring's get were also genetically clear. Anyway, just some information for thought, and what research can find out. Jim.

[Shawn Pixley]

Thanks. That is interesting information. If there were only more time....

[Roy Turbett]

My wife and I adopted a deaf 9 year old Australian Shepherd last year. We tried training "Dudley" with hand signals until we realized he is nearly blind too. But we were still able to train him to our invisible fence and he explores most of our 2 acre yard. He's the most gentle dog we've owned and hasn't even barked except for a few times in his sleep. He's been a great dog and does a "happy boy" dance every time my wife comes home. I admit I was reluctant to keep him at first but now I wouldn't trade him for any other dog.

[Larry Klaaren]

Hand signals are great if they can see you. In the house you can teach them to come when you stomp your foot, but that does not work outdoors. Otherwise, you have to do what works for you. I suppose buzz collars are an option, but most vets are philosophically opposed to them

Blind dogs get along well. If you are a person who likes to move furniture, that can confuse them. It helps to place aromatherapy oil on the things they could run into. Do this a couple of days before you move the furniture, and then when you move it, they can sense that it is there. Use a different aroma on the doorposts, and another in the vicinity of where they get fed, all though they smell food well!

Enjoy your pet!

[Jay Rasmussen]

When I came home on Wednesday, LOML had brought home a stray puppy that had come into her class on Wednesday morning. It appears to be a German Short-hair Pointer mix. It is a very loving puppy but appears to be deaf. I have been reticent to get another dog after my last one passed on two years ago. A dog to me is like family, and I give it the same commitment. I really don't want to go through that loss again. The challenge is that if we don't adopt him, he will likely be euthanized.

Can anyone lend advice or experience on their experience with a deaf dog (or more properly puppy)? I am a pretty skilled dog trainer but I have always trained via voice commands so this would be new territory. Before we decide whether to keep him, I would like to know what I am getting myself into. On the plus side, being deaf, he might be a great shop dog.

Shawn,
I think you have answered your own question, enjoy your new friend and family member!
Jay