Powermatic new machine coming?

[Mike Delyster]

Looks like nice lathe, but overpriced in my opinion.

[Dave Lehnert]

Yep, new lathe. $7,500

[mreza Salav]

And how is that (at that price range) better than a Oneway, Vicmarc, or other top brand lathes?

[Van Huskey]

And how is that (at that price range) better than a Oneway, Vicmarc, or other top brand lathes?

That is what I was worried about, the pirce makes a Robust, Oneway ans Stubby look resonable considering where they are built.

[Rick Fisher]

Sure.. but does Oneway give you a free smock with each new lathe purchase ?

http://content.powermatic.com/conten...mock-Offer.pdf

Seems like a bunch of money for an Asian Import..

[Kevin W Johnson]

Sure.. but does Oneway give you a free smock with each new lathe purchase ?

http://content.powermatic.com/conten...mock-Offer.pdf

Seems like a bunch of money for an Asian Import..

No kidding.... I'm sure some will disagree, but I personally feel that the "value" of an item is directly influenced by it's cost of manufacture. Things that are made using cents an hour labor just aren't worth as much to me.

[Robert Boyd]

Looks like a step back, way back to me.

[Brian Effinger]

That is what I was worried about, the pirce makes a Robust, Oneway ans Stubby look resonable considering where they are built.

For a couple hundred more, I can get a Robust of the same size with the same features. I did notice that the powermatic is about 300 pounds more though.

[Van Huskey]

Looks like a step back, way back to me.

Explain...

[Van Huskey]

For a couple hundred more, I can get a Robust of the same size with the same features. I did notice that the powermatic is about 300 pounds more though.

They filled the PM with lots of what they consider value added features, not available on most lathes, the question is what are they worth. Most woodworkers I know, myself included like to pay for better "bones" upfront and deal with add ons as time/money permit and just the ones they actually want or need. I like many of the PM products and a lot of their features but sometimes they go a step too far which takes the price a step too far. This new lathe is up there with the big boys and so is the PM1800 bandsaw... The latter doesn't get a lot of love here since it looks like a poor value, though it is a great machine.

[Robert Boyd]

Explain...

I would have to think the break even point is pretty high for that price and they may never recoup the investment. I think they priced themselves out of the market. The only features that may set itself apart say from the Oneway 2436 is a longer bed and the vacuum system on the chuck. I don't see the purpose of moving the headstock around so you can turn on the outboard. Plenty of other lathes that will allow you to turn on the outboard without any effort. Example would be the Grizzly G0694 (slight short on the the swing bed)

Powermatic 7500, Grizzly 3000. I think we know which one most people will buy.

Doesn't look like they invented anything just took the Australian Stubby and put it on a longer bed. Painted it gold and and added a vacuum chuck.

Just my thoughts

[Van Huskey]

I would have to think the break even point is pretty high for that price and they may never recoup the investment. I think they priced themselves out of the market. The only features that may set itself apart say from the Oneway 2436 is a longer bed and the vacuum system on the chuck. I don't see the purpose of moving the headstock around so you can turn on the outboard. Plenty of other lathes that will allow you to turn on the outboard without any effort. Example would be the Grizzly G0694 (slight short on the the swing bed)

Powermatic 7500, Grizzly 3000. I think we know which one most people will buy.

Doesn't look like they invented anything just took the Australian Stubby and put it on a longer bed. Painted it gold and and added a vacuum chuck.

Just my thoughts

OK. I thought you were saying the design was going backwards...

In the end this one has me a little bemused, I never thought the 3520b would gain the popularity it has now at the price BUT it didn't infringe on the big boys. I think it will be up to the 3520b guys, do they love their lathe enough to move up in the PM family OR do they really lust after Oneway/Robust/Stubby et al?

[Van Huskey]

BTW if my numbers are right the b version of the 4224 is $2100 more than the "a" version.

[Brodie Brickey]

OK. I thought you were saying the design was going backwards...

In the end this one has me a little bemused, I never thought the 3520b would gain the popularity it has now at the price BUT it didn't infringe on the big boys. I think it will be up to the 3520b guys, do they love their lathe enough to move up in the PM family OR do they really lust after Oneway/Robust/Stubby et al?

As a 3520A owner, I can safely say, I'd move up to a Robust but not any of the others. I saw the 4224 at the Symposium this weekend, aside from the really nice large handwheel on the tail stock (~twice the size of my 'A' and more comfortable), the rest was just nice to have. I didn't even realize I was looking at the new 'big' model, I originally thought it was the 3520B. 4" of swing in difference from my old lathe didn't even register. The indexer looked nice, but I bought a plastic indexer for $20 at the show so I'm all set.

Most turners who have a 3520 got it because the price point made sense in comparison to the other lathes in the same size. I rarely come across a 20" block of wood, so the need for this much size is rarely called for and I can turn off the end when I need more clearance.

[Gary Herrmann]

When I got my 3520b, it was less than half the price of the large Robust. Given the price of the 4224b, I'd go with the Robust now. 2nd choice would be the big Oneway.

That said, I do really like using my 3520b.