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    Wood movement when dimensioning

    I often hear people say that they want to join as soon as possible after dimensioning. The idea being to get it together before the wood has a chance to move. I've heard this from novices and experts alike. I do exactly the opposite, so I wonder what's really right.

    I'm curious what others here do and especially why. Maybe I'll learn something new.

    Here's how I approach milling and joining wood. I expect wood to move as it is cut and re-cut.

    When cut from the tree the slabs bow, twist and cup as internal stress is relieved and the piece moves over time into equilibrium. This might take hours, days or weeks. As it dries, new stress may be created and eventually balanced through other movement. Once it's dried and and cut into thinner, narrower and shorter pieces, there is once again a high likelihood the wood will move. Sometimes by looking at the grain I can guess how it will move when cut. Other times I can't even guess until It's cut. The wood may move immediately as it's cut or it may move slowly over days and weeks. Sometimes both. Changes in ambient moisture typically have a little affect on well dried wood, IMO. I have stock that's been sitting stable for many years despite huge swings in seasonal humidity. The wood does move but doesn't seem to bow, cup or twist in response to moisture.

    That's my basic working understanding of common wood movement. Right or wrong, that's what I base my strategy on. With that in mind, I plan for the movement. I cut a little wider and thicker than I need so I have room to remove bows and cups. Whenever possible, I try to remove wood evenly from either side of the stock. I believe this helps to keep the internal stress in balance and minimizes movement. Neither works every time. I just think it improves my odds for getting flat stable pieces from stock at hand. Whenever possible, I use a two step process. I roughly mill the stock slightly oversize. 1/16" - 1/8" thicker and 1/8" - 1/4" wider than I need. Then I let it sit for a week or longer if I can. Right off the saw, I may leave even more room for error as a 1/4" deflection in a 2' long board as it's cut is not uncommon. Personally, I think it's much more common with todays fast growing stock versus the old slow growing stock of the past but that's really just a guess.

    For a recent set of small table tops, I milled the pieces up about a month in advance. 2 of the 6 (quarter sawn) pieces moved enough that I could see the bow. I re-jointed and re-planed taking about 1/32" off each side and a few days later did the glue up. So far, the tops are perfectly flat and seem stable.

    1) Expect the wood to move when cut but it may not move all at once. Time is your friend.
    2) Flatten early, flatten twice, leave the stock larger initially to compensate.
    3) Reduce size equally from each side when possible. Plan for more wood movement otherwise.
    4) Moisture (for well dried stock) in not a major cause of bowing or cupping. However, it will cause movement across the width and (a little) across the thickness.

    That's my $0.02. What do you do?
    -- Dan Rode

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

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    For me I've always followed the take your time method. I take time and have my pieces over sized. I take them down slowly. I will rough finish and sticker for a week if I can. I then judge how its going to move. Once I see that its stable then I will move to take it down a 2nd time within a few 16'ths of final. I again will let it set for a couple days and then finish it. I've see some strange movement from what I thought was real stable wood. I don't build for speed so it works for me. I also take into account the time of year I'm building in. I treat builds different if I'm in the summer time .vs. winter. Anyway that's my 2c worth. That and a buck fifty will get you a cup of coffee.

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    I should have mentioned that I'm a hobbyist, so I can take all the time I want. It may require a different approach for someone working in a production shop for a living. Practicality versus perfection.
    -- Dan Rode

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

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    It's funny the strategies people employ to overcome wood movement. We all have our angle, or rules, or at least a few vague guiding principles to help understand and accommodate the capricious medium that is wood. From wood experts with phd's to well seasoned amateurs of the highest order, I've heard so many explanations that sound convincing yet contradictory at times, it feels much more like alchemy than any sort of science, and I mean that in an exciting and liberating way. I won't bother to pile on the minutia of my own methods, but in short I keep my eyes open, put some time between major size modifications and final milling, and do try to minimize the time between joinery and glue up. Wood is like children; give it enough time alone and it will find mischief.

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    Seems like you are saying "I do what I feel like" Peter.

    Perhaps the same thing as the OP has stated?

    I'm so slow in what I do that the wood has more than ample time to settle down!
    Too much to do...Not enough time...life is too short!

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    I use plywood and push it through with a 60hp power feeder.

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