Been looking these lately but just haven't decided if I was going to get just the 3/6" & 1/8" or just dive in and get the 5-piece set and maybe the diamond tool. Anyway, I watched a Harvey Meyer video today and he was using the tools without a handle. Dave recommends his 8" handle for these tools and the shortest handle I have of his is the 12". I can see the 12" handle would be a problem hitting the bed ways. Anyone else using these beaders without a handle? Doesn't look like there's much pressure being exerted on the tool during use so it kind of looks like it shouldn't be that big of deal without a handle. With some of the beaders, you need to get a handle insert to fit the 1/2" opening. Just trying to lighten the load a little cost-wise.