Veneer Press options ?

[Rick Fisher]

Hello .. Went to the AWFS show and watched a Veneer vacuum press operate.. had a bit of an awakening as to how handy they would be ..

I saw Barth and Martin has one. Basic frame with a table top .. rubber sheet, turn it on and it sucks down tight.. Anyone else make one of these ? I would like one about 30" x 60" .. or 30" x 72" .. not sure whats out there ?

[Mike Henderson]

Picture framers use a vacuum press like you describe to mount certain artwork to a backing. They usually use a sheet of glass which is mounted in a frame and the frame lifts, sort of like a horizontal door with the hinges at the back. You put the work on the rubber sheet, close the top, which seals against the rubber sheet, and you turn on the vacuum pump. That pulls the artwork and mounting against the glass while the glue sets.

If that's the kind of press you want, check picture framer's suppliers. I made one from a kit one time. It was pretty easy.

Mike

[Jamie Buxton]

For me, the problem with that style of vacuum press is the size. It eats a bunch of air space in the shop, even when it is not being used -- which, realistically, is most of the time. A vacuum bag, for me, is much better. Even a big one rolls up and stores in much less space.

[Keith Hankins]

Go to www.joewoodworker.com. I built one from his plans and its served me well for years. Ordered the parts, and had an old gast pump. He knows his stuff. He supports you with all the questions and his bags are top notch. go with the better bags they will serve you well.

His prices on veneer is top notch. Had him make me a custom back for bed rails.

https://flic.kr/p/cBfFYd

[Ed Mazuronis]

Check out the Barth VPL line. The legs come off and it stores away easily against a wall. I just ordered their 500V table and plan to use the same pump (upgraded to 8m^3/h)to power the VPL. I saw the massive Barth table at the Martin AWFS booth, but at 20k, it's beyond my budget and would fill my shop.

[Rick Fisher]

Thanks Ed .. I did look at the VPL Line on the website.. They would work fine for me .. I too saw the massive Barth table at the Martin Booth .. $20K is too steep for me too .. lol

I'll inquire as to the cost of them .. I have the Felder 300 table, I think the Barth is a better build, but I love the Felder.. use it all the time.. its one of those things you can't believe the price but would never give it up once you have it ..

[Ed Mazuronis]

Please let me know what you learn about the VPL and pricing. I have just begun to study the Barth product lineup as well. I almost bought the Felder 300. After viewing it in person at the Delaware showroom, it looked incredibly useful, but the overall fit and finish wasn't as impressive. I figured I'd wait to see the Barth equivalent at the AWFS show before making a decision. I'm glad I waited, but man could I have saved a lot of money by going with the Felder 300. Good bang for the buck.

[Rick Fisher]

Ed, I was impatient and bought the Felder 300 because it was cheaper, when I saw the Barth at the show I was like.. um.. I would have paid more .. lol .. I find that the price fades, but the quality lasts for a long time.. The piston and the build on the Barth .. as well as the finish is better.. I do however use the Felder all the time, I'm turning 50 and my days of carrying heavy stuff around the shop need to be behind me.

One of the reasons I want to buy a table as opposed to making one is quality as well. Just want it to work .

[Chris Padilla]

Those tables are pretty slick but I just don't have the room for such a luxury. One day...one day....
For now, the roll up bag works fine.

[Darcy Warner]

I have passed on several 5'x12' hot presses that sold for 100 bucks or so, the location in the buildings and rigging situations were horrible. At 15k pounds they get to be tough to move.

[Mike Henderson]

I have passed on several 5'x12' hot presses that sold for 100 bucks or so, the location in the buildings and rigging situations were horrible. At 15k pounds they get to be tough to move.

Those are great for veneer but huge - and the amount of electricity they would take is significant, I imagine. Also, I'd bet they're three phase.

Paul Schurch has one in his shop - it was the first time I saw one in operation.

Mike

[Darcy Warner]

Most are used for making plywood and veneer solid core doors. Sweet machines for sure, still regret passing on a few.

[John Kee]

These might be more in your price range from Veneer Systems. I have no connection but use them for product, especially Unibond 800.

http://www.veneersystems.com/index.p...category/id/8/

I occasionally get asked to glueup specialized veneer panels and have made my own setup on a 4' x 8' table that's been laminated with industrial HPL. The table mainly serves as my main work top. I have a small vacuum pump and bought a 5' x 9' sheet of 30 mil polyurethane thats gets clamped to the tabletop with a simple frame and a series of 2" spring clamps, when I need to do veneer. While simple in approach it works well for small to large projects and you don't have the aggravation of trying to get everything in a bag.

[John Sincerbeaux]

Are you guys talking about veneer presses or mobile work tables?
For veneering, I have a few different bags and a different plattens. If I want to speed things up a bit, I throw an electric blanket on top of the press. As far as a dedicated press system, I would have to do a lot of veneering in a "successful" shop to justify the cost vs. convienance. I have been in many one-man pro shops and have seen 4'x8' bags that are covered w a sheet of plywood which is covered w "stuff". In other words, it seems guys don't really use their veneer systems as much as you think.
Rick, you are too young to be thinking about getting too old��

[Rick Fisher]

The Felder is just over $20,000 Canadian .. not exact, I'm sure its cheaper on the East coast as well due to freight .. The big Barth was more..

I wonder about using a vacuum generator vs a pump ? Does anyone have any experience with this ? I have a 5hp Rotary with a 90 gallon tank, it produces a large amount of air at 145 psi.. Its always on .. always available, if a Generator would work, it would reduce the amount of motors in the shop..
What are the downsides to a generator that has access to lots of air ?

I read on one of the sites that the vacuum alone creates a glue setting time of about 40 minutes.. with heat however allow only 5 minutes.. That's a remarkable difference. Is an electric blanket effective ? Would you insulate the underside of the press ?

I like the idea of a frame to work as another clamp.

I appreciate the links to the other frames, I had not found those .. I would actually like a table that flips up on the wall, perhaps I could make it happen myself. 51" x 51" that sits on the wall would be awesome.. Flip it down and use it .. flip it back up .. If the table is rigid enough, I could simply build the wall mount part myself ..