This is a public forum for discussion and learning. So if someone posts on here they are going to get opinions, which in my mind is good. You get to learn from a range of experience. When people post stuff that they have purchased because they like buying pretty stuff that's fine, but if they bought it for the for the precision marking out that it provides, then those of us that know how to get precision with a stick of wood are probably going to speak up. The fact is you can get precise parts with a stick, a square and a knife, in fact, a far higher level of precision. You don't need to measure anything, you transfer from the parts, you use a story stick. it is extremely simple and its been around since they built the pyramids. The reason for discussion is to let those that don't know, know that there are alternatives. You don't need to spend money, you need to understand relationship's. If you want to buy fancy expensive stuff, that's great, but it is not needed to get precision. I thought the reason we are here is to share and learn.