Very interesting thread -- I've long been a fan of loose tenons, even use Beadloc for a lot of stuff.. Now I mostly turn stuff, but I still do the occasional flat project so I think have a different question?
Since a normal loose tenon is basically a long<>long grain glue up on the one side (the one that would have tenon for M/T joint) and since today's glues should be stronger than the wood on such a joint, why would it be any less strong than a integral formed tenon? Assuming the joint were sized properly. I don't see how a loose tenon should be any weaker than a normal M/T and if the stock is of sufficient size to make a loose tenon joint, it would seem to be the best choice for any load-bearing joint - that is how I read Marc's info and I agree with it .. I see how on some thinner or smaller joints it's just not possible to form the joint with sufficient wall thickness so a normal M/T is the best choice. Am I misunderstanding something here. I don't want to get into a biscuit argument here, I've used them for lots of stuff, just normally not end <> long grain joints, there loose tenons are my preferred way to do it.
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