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    Splitting a gas bill-please help-sorta long

    Gentlemen, I need some help here with something completely and utterly not having anything to do with these forums. BUT, I need some confirmation, either way mind you for the sake of fairness. In short, I want your opinions. Here is the deal……and please, I know it is a stupid argument, but it’s what I have had to put up with for years. I leave it up to you guys, you tell me if I am right or wrong here.

    As some of you may or may not know, every November, myself and a handful of other guys take an annual salmon fishing trip which encompasses maybe 300 miles one way to Oswego,NY from our general area here in central New Jersey. The motel room bill and gasoline bill for the vehicle to get us up there has always been split in the sense of fairness to all as far as equitably splitting their total costs.

    The problem here is the gasoline bill. I have tried to explain this to my fellow fishermen for years and have gotten basically nowhere. I know, I know, it will be fairly self explanatory when I tell it to you and pretty easy to understand, so I know it might say something about those who are not “getting it” – but I’m tired of explaining until I’m blue in the face.

    Here is my take on how the gasoline deal should be handled for complete fairness to all. Basically, the trip starts at my home. With that in mind, I opine that whomever is driving that year (we take turns driving each year so that the “wear and tear” issue of driving ones vehicle is spread out amongst everyone evenly) whomever is driving should start the trip with a full tank of gas that that person – the vehicle owner – has paid for out of his own pocket. Now, that is plenty of gas to get us to Oswego,NY, but when we get there, or soon thereafter it really doesn’t matter, we then fill up the gas tank because of all of the shuttling between the room and the river and going out to eat and such. This is usually enough to get us through the few days of the trip and maybe even home. If not enough for home, we fill up before we leave to come home. Either way, any fill up during the trip is equally split between those riding in that vehicle. Because the tank was full when we left my home at the beginning of the trip, the only gas used and subsequently paid for, is gas that was used for the trip, thus, needing to be split amongst those in the vehicle. With me so far?

    Now, when returning home and we are a few miles from my home, I say we again return the tank to full with each of us again splitting the cost of the fill up and the owner now has the original full tank of gas that he began with before the trip started. This way, everyone has split the cost of ONLY the gas that has been used on the trip and the vehicle owner has the full tank of gas he paid for out of his own pocket before the trip started. It’s all very, very simple really to understand the theory behind it, but as I said, I won’t go into what it says about the extrapolating abilities of my associates.

    Listen, if I am wrong here, and I seriously don’t think I am on the wrong track with this theory, tell me. If you think there is a more fair and equitable way to divide up the exact cost of the gasoline bill among everyone, please, explain, but I doubt there is since if you left with a full tank and completed the trip with a full tank and split the gas that was used during the trip, it is being split exactly evenly among everyone there. But you tell me, because the only way I am going to convince these guys is to have some impartial input from others. I will print out this posting and also the replies in hopes that this will end this annual PITA discussion.
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    Sounds reasonable to me. The driver starts out with a full tank. That is the "zero" mark as far as fuel usage. While on the trip and when you get back, any fuel used, including whatever amount to get the vehicles fuel level back to pre-trip level, is the total amount used on the trip and the amount that is to be split.

    No offense here but...maybe this should be discussed before all the beer gets drunk on the trip. Sounds like some brain cells are being rendered inoperative. (Just teasin'. Please don't hurt me. )
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    That is how the car rental agencies do it.

    Start with a full tank, then end with a full tank. What was used is.... well... what was used.
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    Of course you're right, Fred. It's pretty obvious.
    But a tank of gas is also not worth straining a friendship over.

    But perhaps this helps... surely your friends have figured out their gas mileage (MPG) before? This is basically the same thing. You measure from full tank to full tank.

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    Your method is perfect, but if they have a hard time understanding it,
    maybe you should start close to empty. Then they all have to pitch in upon leaving, and again before returning, or they will have to walk.

    Funny that fishing buddies should have this problem. Every year my wife takes 2-3 others from here in the Seattle area to Sisters, for the quilt show, and takes my Explorer since it has the most room. The others always insist on paying for all of the gas and for her food and coffee while on the 6-7 hour road trip each way to make up for her having to drive and the wear and tear, and they always fill up in Tacoma at dinner on the return trip so she gets back with 3/4 tank or more.



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    You borrow a car with a full gas tank, you return it full. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Even if it wasn't full, its still a good thing to return it full.

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    Sounds right to me too. Theoretically its still working out since you each end up buying an extra tank of gas on your year to drive, but since gas prices are so volatile, it really doesn't. Also as Art said, its not worth fighting over in the long run.

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    Thanks guys, and to make things straight, it's not really creating hard feelings. It's just that I have had this same problem year in and year out for maybe ten to fifteen years. The main deal is making it fair and equitable across the board for everyone on the trip. Not everyone on the trip is on the same plain monetarily and with gas prices, I am simply looking for everyone to pay only what should be paid. The irritating point in all of this is that I know the system I have laid out will correctly pinpoint exactly what everyone should pay out for the gas, yet, there are those among our fishing party who refuse to understand, beer or not - although the beer definitely has a clouding effect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Pelonio
    Your method is perfect, but if they have a hard time understanding it,
    maybe you should start close to empty. Then they all have to pitch in upon leaving, and again before returning, or they will have to walk.

    Funny that fishing buddies should have this problem. Every year my wife takes 2-3 others from here in the Seattle area to Sisters, for the quilt show, and takes my Explorer since it has the most room. The others always insist on paying for all of the gas and for her food and coffee while on the 6-7 hour road trip each way to make up for her having to drive and the wear and tear, and they always fill up in Tacoma at dinner on the return trip so she gets back with 3/4 tank or more.
    Joe, this does sort of come up as one or two of the guys do not have a vehicle that will accomodate all that take the trip. In that instance, the person with the lack of vehicle space is asked to spring for dinner at the local Ponderosa for the guys every fourth year or so when it would have been their turn to do the driving. With that, we call it even.
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    How about if you drive you buy the gas....then on the years you don't drive you don't buy the gas....I mean you are talking about less than a hundred bucks I assume.That way its one less thing NOT to have to think about when you should be thinking about cold bear and great fishing

    EDIT: Never mind...I see that some do not drive....sorry!!!
    Last edited by Tim Morton; 10-22-2006 at 8:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Meiser
    Sounds right to me too. Theoretically its still working out since you each end up buying an extra tank of gas on your year to drive, but since gas prices are so volatile, it really doesn't. Also as Art said, its not worth fighting over in the long run.
    Actually not Matt if you are thinking of the tank purchased by the driver just before the trip. That full tank is the full tank at the end of the trip after the final fill up that everyone splits. It is just paid for before the trip and theoretically used after the trip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tim Morton
    How about if you drive you buy the gas....then on the years you don't drive you don't buy the gas....I mean you are talking about less than a hundred bucks I assume.That way its one less thing NOT to have to think about when you should be thinking about cold bear and great fishing

    EDIT: Never mind...I see that some do not drive....sorry!!!
    Well Tim, that could still theoretically work since the non-driving person would spring for dinner every time his driving turn comes around, but with this method, there would always be one person which the trip would cost that much more than all of the others. Yes, it would be a workable solution, but it is just not the way we have tried to do it since we started, oh, maybe fifteen years ago or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Voorhees
    Actually not Matt if you are thinking of the tank purchased by the driver just before the trip. That full tank is the full tank at the end of the trip after the final fill up that everyone splits. It is just paid for before the trip and theoretically used after the trip.
    I meant that it was working out year over year, but not if some guys aren't driving.

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    Fred, you are correct. Start with a full tank. End with a full tank. Whatever it cost to "end with the full tank" is the cost to be split.
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    What happens if you have six people going and have to take two cars? To make it more interesting, what if one car can only run on high test? And, what if the driver is one of those drivers that drives wide open and gets bad gas milage? Your trip is very simple. I agree with you 100%, but now how do you splitup the fish cleaning?

    have fun and have a good time, that is what the trip is for.
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