Do not go to Woodcrafters----they are having a 30% sale on Sorby Lathe Tools. The store in Louisville Ky. must have a hundred of them ---they got the big ones. Oh yah they also got Router bits for $5.00 each. I aint even going to talk about what this trip cost me. To begin with it is a 250 mile round trip for us. The owner was there and also had to help me spent some more money. This much help I could live without.. Anyhow it was fun to make our yearly trip to the BIG city.