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Thread: Riving Knife To Become Standard

  1. #16
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    Here in Europe table saws have been fitted with riving knives for as long as I've been woodworking, so I've never used a saw without one. The knife is bolted to an assembly on the arbour behind the blade and set to a height above the height of the blade. On most saws a crown guard is bolted to the top of the riving knife. As previously stated the knife rises and falls (and tilts) with the blade maintaining the same relative height. In Europe it is against the law in a trade environment to run a saw without a riving knife or the guard. I am sure a similar law will apply in the US.

    So...

    Get ready to ditch a whole load of table saw techniques which would currently appear to be standard practice your side of the pond;

    Dado blades...
    Tenoning jigs...
    Making coving...
    Panel raising...

    All these and more will be totally impossible within regulations and within your shop insurance policy.

    As Phil says, welcome to the 1970's!

    Cheers
    Brad

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    The "Short Fence" is one of the reasons I decided to go with the Unifence vs the Bies when I bought my saw. I then added the Bies splitter which, though not a true riving knife, is still arguably a good close second. As Brad points out, the splitter still allows me to do all the things you can not do with a fixed riving knife.
    Last edited by Bill Lewis; 05-23-2007 at 5:55 AM.

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    How is a short fence anchored? only from the front edge? It'd have to be pretty stiff so you didn't get any flex laterally. Seems like the Bies style fence is better with clamps on both ends. Maybe a "Z" shaped fence would work to get both benefits (patent pending!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Lautner View Post

    This weekend I spoke with a tool supplier in the LA area and was told several companies will be adding a riving knife to there table saws. Delta will have a brand new unisaw design. After a major kick back using a TS I will no longer operate one without a riving knife.
    When you had your major kick-back, did you have a splitter on your saw? I'm still trying to figure out what the big advantage of the riving knife is, other than a little convenience. My splitter stays mounted on my saw and if I need to cut some dados, I just pop it out. Compared to the effort involved going from a standard blade to a dado, removing the splitter is a non-issue; the same with going back to the standard blade. It's a 5 second operation.

    Would someone please explain to me what this big advantage of the riving knife is?

  5. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Conely View Post
    The riving knife was one of the reasons I purchased my Inca 12 inch table saw 14 years ago. Yes, the arbor rises and falls in a straight line. The fence can be used "short" if desired. ...
    Ditto, but for me it was 9 years ago. I also liked the ability to move the rails to either side of the blade thus alowing the blade to tilt away from the fence (like a left tilt) simply by moving the fence and rails to the left. At the time it was the safest non-slider saw available.

    I don't think that a table saw would HAVE to have a verticle arbor to run a shark fin style riving knife (which never has to be removed) but it certainly makes it a lot easier. If a single pivot point on the arbor is placed higher than the arbor, it might-could be done

    From a safety perspective do you need a riving knife for non-thru cuts? I don't think so, but it's nice to not even think about it, it's just always there (until I put on a dado head).

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    Run out of town on a rail.

    Quote Originally Posted by Russ Filtz View Post
    How is a short fence anchored? only from the front edge? It'd have to be pretty stiff so you didn't get any flex laterally. Seems like the Bies style fence is better with clamps on both ends. Maybe a "Z" shaped fence would work to get both benefits (patent pending!)

    As far as I know, the biesemeyer and its clones (I have General's version) all "clamp" to the front rail only. I used to have a Sears Crapsman that clamped to the front and rear rails and it SUCKED

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    The biggest advantage is that it is typically much closer to the blade than the splitter.

    While diligence can ensure the splitter is put back on after every cut where it must be removed, not having to remove it so often makes it easier to be sure it's always on when needed.

  8. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Belisle View Post
    Would someone please explain to me what this big advantage of the riving knife is?
    It curves around the blade and stays close to the blade as the blade is raised/lowered.

    Some of them are shark-fin style and don't stick up above the blade, so they can be left on for non-through cuts (dados, grooves, etc.)

  9. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Brad Naylor View Post
    Get ready to ditch a whole load of table saw techniques which would currently appear to be standard practice your side of the pond;

    Dado blades...
    Tenoning jigs...
    Making coving...
    Panel raising...

    All these and more will be totally impossible within regulations and within your shop insurance policy.

    As Phil says, welcome to the 1970's!

    Cheers
    Brad
    From what I have seen, all of the US tablesaws have removeable riving knives for these types of cuts. Not sure on the new code, but I would guess that they will allow them to be removeable for these applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Pritchard View Post
    Hi guys!

    Welcome to the the 1970s...... I'm always amazed that American woodworking machinery manufacturers (and their copyists) seem mired in the 1960s in engineering design terms. If the date is 2014 that will make the USA just 40 years behind the Brits - it's normally us that are 20 years behind you. Oh well, at least it's a step in the right direction, so a "Well done!" to whoesever got it mandated

    BTW we don't mandate the "short" rip fence design in the EU - we do, however, train all our trades woodworkers in it's use and have done so for over 30 years now

    Phil

    american machines have had riving knives for decades before the 70's. take look at the oliver 260d from the 40's .

    lou

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