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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb Macdonald View Post
    I think in a past life I was a Queen of a Spelling Bee.
    You spelled "You're" wrong. (If you don't see what you're looking for....)
    You are = You're
    Your = a possessive, i.e Your Mom isn't as pretty as my Mom.
    Just trying to keep the English Language alive
    The cards look great, but nothing will put off clients like bad spelling. I should have been an editor!!!
    Unless, of course, they can't spell either. And lots of peoples can't these days, although not generally from my generation.
    I had a client send a request for signs with halles. (That would be holes)
    Have a great day, and best of luck!! You're very kind to want to slow your wife down.
    I wish I could speed my husband up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Bratton View Post
    Good grammar is important too. Lots of PEOPLES are turned off by bad.

    Tut tut Larry. Shame on you, I is sure you could do much gooder!


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    I am sure it's "Today's" but just because I'm sure doesn't mean I'm right.
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    Tune in tomorrow for "Dangling Participles" or is it participle's or participles'...oh man, now I have to go back and read this whole thread over again. Maybe if I take notes this time.
    Jack

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    I just read

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Harper View Post
    Tune in tomorrow for "Dangling Participles" or is it participle's or participles'...oh man, now I have to go back and read this whole thread over again. Maybe if I take notes this time.
    I just read the original post again. and it occurs to me that somehow this thread has lost its way. After reading Franks post my head hurts, and I am once again reminded of just how much I did not pay attention in school.
    I think I will go watch MY Fair Lady to regain my prospective on the English language.
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    Unfortunately the rules for the English language keep changing, and to make matters worse, that's the side of the brain I don't use very often. An example is where commas belong. I remember there was an option to use a comma before 'and' or 'but'. It could be used like...

    'My cat is old, lazy and smelly.'

    But now, according to the rules that I learned in college, that is wrong. It is required, not an option, to have a comma before the 'and', like so....

    'My cat is old, lazy, and smelly.'

    To me it looks crazy because that's not how I learned it in grade school, but you can't argue with an English teacher with a PhD.

    Anyway, back to the business cards.....
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    Ah, the comma

    The comma is a valuable, useful punctuation device because it separates the structural elements of sentences into manageable segments. The rules provided here are those found in traditional handbooks; however, in certain rhetorical contexts and for specific purposes, these rules may be broken.
    1. Use commas to separate independent clauses when they are joined by any of these seven coordinating conjunctions: and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet.
    The game was over, but the crowd refused to leave.
    The student explained her question, yet the instructor still didn't seem to understand.
    Yesterday was her brother's birthday, so she took him out to dinner.
    2. Use commas after introductory a) clauses, b) phrases, or c) words that come before the main clause.
    a. Common starter words for introductory clauses that should be followed by a comma include after, although, as, because, if, since, when, while.
    While I was eating, the cat scratched at the door.
    Because her alarm clock was broken, she was late for class.
    If you are ill, you ought to see a doctor.
    When the snow stops falling, we'll shovel the driveway.
    However, don't put a comma after the main clause when a dependent (subordinate) clause follows it (except for cases of extreme contrast).
    1. She was late for class, because her alarm clock was broken. (incorrect)
    2. The cat scratched at the door, while I was eating. (incorrect)
    3. She was still quite upset, although she had won the Oscar. (correct: extreme contrast)
    b. Common introductory phrases that should be followed by a comma include participial and infinitive phrases, absolute phrases, nonessential appositive phrases, and long prepositional phrases (over four words).
    Having finished the test, he left the room.
    To get a seat, you'd better come early.
    After the test but before lunch, I went jogging.
    The sun radiating intense heat, we sought shelter in the cafe.
    c. Common introductory words that should be followed by a comma include yes, however, well.
    Well, perhaps he meant no harm.
    Yes, the package should arrive tomorrow morning.
    However, you may not be satisfied with the results.
    3. Use a pair of commas in the middle of a sentence to set off clauses, phrases, and words that are not essential to the meaning of the sentence. Use one comma before to indicate the beginning of the pause and one at the end to indicate the end of the pause.
    Here are some clues to help you decide whether the sentence element is essential:
    • If you leave out the clause, phrase, or word, does the sentence still make sense?
    • Does the clause, phrase, or word interrupt the flow of words in the original sentence?
    • If you move the element to a different position in the sentence, does the sentence still make sense?
    If you answer "yes" to one or more of these questions, then the element in question is nonessential and should be set off with commas. Here are some example sentences with nonessential elements:
    Clause: That Tuesday, which happens to be my birthday, is the only day when I am available to meet.
    Phrase: This restaurant has an exciting atmosphere. The food, on the other hand, is rather bland.
    Word: I appreciate your hard work. In this case, however, you seem to have over-exerted yourself.
    4. Do not use commas to set off essential elements of the sentence, such as clauses beginning with that (relative clauses). That clauses after nouns are always essential. That clauses following a verb expressing mental action are always essential.
    That clauses after nouns:
    The book that I borrowed from you is excellent.
    The apples that fell out of the basket are bruised.
    That clauses following a verb expressing mental action:
    She believes that she will be able to earn an A.
    He is dreaming that he can fly.
    I contend that it was wrong to mislead her.
    They wished that warm weather would finally arrive.
    Examples of other essential elements (no commas):
    Students who cheat only harm themselves.
    The baby wearing a yellow jumpsuit is my niece.
    The candidate who had the least money lost the election.
    Examples of nonessential elements (set off by commas):
    Fred, who often cheats, is just harming himself.
    My niece, wearing a yellow jumpsuit, is playing in the living room.
    The Green party candidate, who had the least money, lost the election.
    Apples, which are my favorite fruit, are the main ingredient in this recipe.
    Professor Benson, grinning from ear to ear, announced that the exam would be tomorrow.
    Tom, the captain of the team, was injured in the game.
    It is up to you, Jane, to finish.
    She was, however, too tired to make the trip.
    Two hundred dollars, I think, is sufficient.
    5. Use commas to separate three or more words, phrases, or clauses written in a series.
    The Constitution establishes the legislative, executive, and judicial branches of government.
    The candidate promised to lower taxes, protect the environment, reduce crime, and end unemployment.
    The prosecutor argued that the defendant, who was at the scene of the crime, who had a strong revenge motive, and who had access to the murder weapon, was guilty of homicide.
    6. Use commas to separate two or more coordinate adjectives that describe the same noun. Be sure never to add an extra comma between the final adjective and the noun itself or to use commas with non-coordinate adjectives.
    Coordinate adjectives are adjectives with equal ("co"-ordinate) status in describing the noun; neither adjective is subordinate to the other. You can decide if two adjectives in a row are coordinate by asking the following questions:
    • Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written in reverse order?
    • Does the sentence make sense if the adjectives are written with and between them?
    If you answer yes to these questions, then the adjectives are coordinate and should be separated by a comma. Here are some examples of coordinate and non-coordinate adjectives:
    He was a difficult, stubborn child. (coordinate)
    They lived in a white frame house. (non-coordinate)
    She often wore a gray wool shawl. (non-coordinate)
    Your cousin has an easy, happy smile. (coordinate)
    The 1) relentless, 2) powerful 3) summer sun beat down on them. (1-2 are coordinate; 2-3 are non-coordinate.)
    The 1) relentless, 2) powerful, 3) oppressive sun beat down on them. (Both 1-2 and 2-3 are coordinate.)
    7. Use a comma near the end of a sentence to separate contrasted coordinate elements or to indicate a distinct pause or shift.
    He was merely ignorant, not stupid.
    The chimpanzee seemed reflective, almost human.
    You're one of the senator's close friends, aren't you?
    The speaker seemed innocent, even gullible.
    8. Use commas to set off phrases at the end of the sentence that refer back to the beginning or middle of the sentence. Such phrases are free modifiers that can be placed anywhere in the sentence without causing confusion. (If the placement of the modifier causes confusion, then it is not "free" and must remain "bound" to the word it modifies.)
    1. Nancy waved enthusiastically at the docking ship, laughing joyously. (correct)
    2a. Lisa waved at Nancy, laughing joyously. (incorrect: Who is laughing, Lisa or Nancy?)
    2b. Laughing joyously, Lisa waved at Nancy. (correct)
    2c. Lisa waved at Nancy, who was laughing joyously. (correct)
    9. Use commas to set off all geographical names, items in dates (except the month and day), addresses (except the street number and name), and titles in names.
    Birmingham, Alabama, gets its name from Birmingham, England.
    July 22, 1959, was a momentous day in his life.
    Who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC?
    Rachel B. Lake, MD, will be the principal speaker. (When you use just the month and the year, no comma is necessary after the month or year: "The average temperatures for July 1998 are the highest on record for that month.")
    10. Use a comma to shift between the main discourse and a quotation.
    John said without emotion, "I'll see you tomorrow."
    "I was able," she answered, "to complete the assignment."
    In 1848, Marx wrote, "Workers of the world, unite!"
    11. Use commas wherever necessary to prevent possible confusion or misreading.
    To George, Harrison had been a sort of idol.
    Comma Abuse

    Commas in the wrong places can break a sentence into illogical segments or confuse readers with unnecessary and unexpected pauses.
    12. Don't use a comma to separate the subject from the verb.
    An eighteen-year old in California, is now considered an adult. (incorrect)
    The most important attribute of a ball player, is quick reflex actions. (incorrect)
    13. Don't put a comma between the two verbs or verb phrases in a compound predicate.
    We laid out our music and snacks, and began to study. (incorrect)
    I turned the corner, and ran smack into a patrol car. (incorrect)
    14. Don't put a comma between the two nouns, noun phrases, or noun clauses in a compound subject or compound object.
    The music teacher from your high school, and the football coach from mine are married. (incorrect: compound subject)
    Jeff told me that the job was still available, and that the manager wanted to interview me. (incorrect: compound object)
    15. Don't put a comma after the main clause when a dependent (subordinate) clause follows it (except for cases of extreme contrast).
    1. She was late for class, because her alarm clock was broken. (incorrect)
    2. The cat scratched at the door, while I was eating. (incorrect)
    3. She was still quite upset, although she had won the Oscar. (correct: extreme contrast)
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    A Plan for the Improvement of English Spelling
    by Mark Twain

    For example, in Year 1 that useless letter "c" would be dropped
    to be replased either by "k" or "s", and likewise "x" would no longer
    be part of the alphabet. The only kase in which "c" would be retained
    would be the "ch" formation, which will be dealt with later. Year 2
    might reform "w" spelling, so that "which" and "one" would take the
    same konsonant, wile Year 3 might well abolish "y" replasing it with
    "i" and Iear 4 might fiks the "g/j" anomali wonse and for all.
    Jenerally, then, the improvement would kontinue iear bai iear
    with Iear 5 doing awai with useless double konsonants, and Iears 6-12
    or so modifaiing vowlz and the rimeining voist and unvoist konsonants.
    Bai Iear 15 or sou, it wud fainali bi posibl tu meik ius ov thi
    ridandant letez "c", "y" and "x" -- bai now jast a memori in the maindz
    ov ould doderez -- tu riplais "ch", "sh", and "th" rispektivli.
    Fainali, xen, aafte sam 20 iers ov orxogrefkl riform, wi wud
    hev a lojikl, kohirnt speling in ius xrewawt xe Ingliy-spiking werld.


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    How about not capitalizing "queen" and "spelling"?

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    Barb,

    Yes, I can relate (as an English major) and even so, I always had people proof read my work, because sure, we read it as we think we wrote it and sometimes easily miss our own errors, certainly including myself.

    Oh and yep, bet you are correct. It's Todays' - possessive. The Stock Quote belongs to Today, so Todays' is the correct way to punctuate that. Other wise if it is written as: Today's - contraction - it would then be, literally: "Today Is Stock Quote."

    I so enjoy the site and the friendly exchange and invaluable information here. Thanks to all and have a good Sunday afternoon! Jude

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    So then Barb's Stock Quote is actually Barb is Stock Quote?
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    My head hurts after reading all this. It is good stuff though. I do have a question... is there two different spellings for aluminum that I'm not aware of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jude Kingery View Post
    Oh and yep, bet you are correct. It's Todays' - possessive. The Stock Quote belongs to Today, so Todays' is the correct way to punctuate that. Other wise if it is written as: Today's - contraction - it would then be, literally: "Today Is Stock Quote."
    Actually, that's not correct.

    Todays' = belonging to many todays.
    Today's = belonging to today or today is.

    It's the same as saying "the dog's toys" versus "the dogs' toys". The first would refer to the toys belonging to one dog, while the second would refer to the toys belonging to several dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Lyda View Post
    I do have a question... is there two different spellings for aluminum that I'm not aware of?
    If I'm not mistaken, "aluminum" is the American version, "aluminium" is the Canadian/British way of spelling it.
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    yes aluminium is the correct way to spell it
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