I was just rereading the hand saw post and I don't know where ya'll get your saws sharpened but if the sharpener is taking off 1/4" of metal then he screwed up and had to start over.As a Sharpologist, it is to my advantage to take off as little ammount of metal as possible.Time is money. I was a hand saw user long before I started a sharpening shop.And hand saw sharpening ain't Rocket Sicence.The difference in tooth height of a few thousandths won't make much difference in the quality of the cut.The biggest problem I have with hand saws is that after several hand sharpenings the teeth are not even so it takes several passes with the filer or it has to be retoothed.Hand saws are the original cordless recipt saw.Max