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  1. #16
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    I hate to say it but I have to really disagree about the LN chisels being overstated. Also about career woodworkers not wanting to replace their chisels with the LN's. This is all opinion, but I don't think there is a better chisel on the market than what LN offers. For me there are as close to a perfectly designed chisel as I can imagine. I do prefer the O1 chisels but even find it worth having a couple A2's around for the harder exotic woods I deal with. I cut a ton of dovetails in my work and LN chisels are just perfect for this type of work. I just recently got done with a Honduras Rosewood dovetailed box and had to use my A2 LN's with a 30*+ bevel to keep the edge sharp enough to get through more than a couple whacks. That stuff was a nightmare on any other chisel I fed it, with the exception of a couple japanese chisels (fujihiro).

    The LN's are pricey, but when compared with other high end chisels out there I think they're very competively priced. Look at some of the high Japanese hand made chisel prices. And i've seen many professional woodworkers, timberframers and carpenters that wouldn't trade their LN's for anything else. I love the balance of the chisels, their handles, and the size of the edge bevel. Just a well made chisel that fits my needs perfectly. But again, this is my personal opinion and chisels can be a very personal tool. I also love to support my local Maine company so I may be a little bias.

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    Just as another data point, I had a set of LN chisels when they first came out. I thought they were just fine. I sold them for more than I bought them for and bought the AI MK2 set of six. I like them also. They are all just means to an end.

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    Not sure why but in the last 8 months i suddenly decided that I don't like socket chisels at all... got rid of the set of witherbys and put together a set of EA Berg... The bergs are paper thin and short, but boy do they fit the hand and take a great edge. Its nice to use a few fingers to pull the handle into your palm, something I couldnt do with a socket chisel. I hardly ever strike chisels anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by James Taglienti View Post
    Not sure why but in the last 8 months i suddenly decided that I don't like socket chisels at all... got rid of the set of witherbys and put together a set of EA Berg... The bergs are paper thin and short, but boy do they fit the hand and take a great edge. Its nice to use a few fingers to pull the handle into your palm, something I couldnt do with a socket chisel. I hardly ever strike chisels anyway
    Hi James

    Interesting. I went the other way. I sold my set of 9 Bergs, which had taken some years to put together, and rebuilt a set of Stanley #750s. Admittedly, the Bergs were originally sold to part-fund a set of Kiyohisa slicks (3-year wait and $$$$), but I do prefer the #750s to the Bergs. They have been modified from the original, and are now much closer to the LNs as I re-profiled the shoulders.

    I use both Japanese slicks and dovetail chisels. One is for pushing and the other for use with a nomi. I think that the use of a nomi or hammer is much misunderstood by woodworkers (or, that I misunderstood this for years and narcissistically think that others travel the same path to insights as I do ). A hammer should not be used to force the chisel through the wood (unless you are removing waste as with a mortice chisel). Instead, a hammer can offer much in the way of control. It frees one to concentrate on holding the chisel in position and using gentle taps to "push". That said, I also enjoy using a chisel freehand (hence the slicks). The 750s offer me both worlds as I lengthened the handles on mine. By extrapolation, I consider the LNs to be excellent all-round bench chisels (although the handles are too short for me).

    For the OP, I think that he did well with the AIs. I have not had much experience with them, but what I have had confirms that the handles are comfortable, the steel is very good, and the balance is excellent. There should be no post-purchase remorse here!

    For others, let me throw this into the mix: there are chisels coming from Lee Valley. I believe that the O1 production is due soon, to be followed by the PM steel version. The O1 chisels are expected to be priced between the AI and LN (I know as much about this as anyone, so do not quote me). I shall be able to report more about these chisels, per se, in the near future. So one more choice. I bet your head hurts as much as mine!

    Regards from Perth

    Derek
    Last edited by Derek Cohen; 04-14-2012 at 1:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek Cohen View Post
    Hi James

    Interesting. I went the other way. I sold my set of 9 Bergs, which had taken some years to put together, and rebuilt a set of Stanley #750s. Admittedly, the Bergs were originally sold to part-fund a set of Kiyohisa slicks (3-year wait and $$$$), but I do prefer the #750s to the Bergs. They have been modified from the original, and are now much closer to the LNs as I re-profiled the shoulders.


    Derek
    Derek,
    Also interesting, i had a couple Bergs for years and enjoyed the steel how thin they were, but didnt know if they were all like that . It was an old post of yours on a different forum, praising them for the same, that convinced me to fill out the set. Maybe in 5 years i will have sold them and put together a set of custom ground 750's.

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    My bench chisels are 750's and LN. I have three 1" 750's, and one of them is on the bench at all times. If I need to chop a 1" square through mortise, the 1" LN comes out. It is one tough chisel.
    The 750's do well for paring a joint because of the comfort.

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