Are your tools dangerous?

[Rod Sheridan]

Yes Edward, tools can be dangerous, and yes the list was a bit odd in my opinion.

If you consider most tools dangerous then you'll take risks to mitigate those dangers, so it's a good practise to consider tools dangerous.

Some tools are very dangerous, some such as a rubber spatula not so much.

Regards, Rod.

[Edward Weber]

When someone asks me if a tools is dangerous my typical initial reaction is to ask, who's using it?
It all comes down to humans and how we interact with everything.
JMHO

[Michael Burnside]

This thread is therefore nonsensical if we're not discussing a tool when used. Good grief.

[mike stenson]

This thread is therefore nonsensical if we're not discussing a tool when used. Good grief.

it's a ridiculous standard of definition. Unless, that is, you're a tool collector.

[Edward Weber]

This thread is therefore nonsensical if we're not discussing a tool when used. Good grief.

Putting your rather declarative statement aside,
With respect, I feel you still fail to see that this is a point of view thread, not a carved in stone definition type of thread.
The entire point is that we humans (woodworkers) determine whether or not a tool is "dangerous" in how we use them.
What one person views as dangerous others do not.

Feel free to start a discussion about tools in use, it will still be human interaction that dictates to what extent there is a danger.

[Carl Beckett]

I did a search on youtube for dangerous tools.

Indeed I found many, especially some in third world countries, that "I" deem to be dangerous tools. Frighteningly so.

[Edward Weber]

Here's a blast from the past
https://sawmillcreek.org/showthread....rous-Tool-poll

[Warren Lake]

yes cone of silence, Hemmie the robot AI with a heart. I said the military consulted with them but think it might have been James Bond, one of them anyway.

Think the first show Max drove a Ferrari. And 99. Okay ill be quiet now.

[Warren Lake]

Hey Tom

took a look at a bit and will take a look at more. Its lots of homework there for a guy on a saw for a lifetime with no riving knife or anything. Do have a saw with a riving knife now and I like it. Feels like cheating but its a good thing. 9 Hp will kick if it wants to but so far its been very well behaved.

I once saw a british guy red lab coat and two long push sticks. He had little control of the material. At first I thought it was a joke.

This saw came with an aluminum riving knife which I find interesting then same time its less likely to stay flat like making them from a saw blade. I have a fair number of large blades that can be turned into riving knives. that thing you posted the riving knife looked too close the blade as well. Better aluminum that steel but it doesnt need to be stuck up against the blade. It will still do its job sitting back some amount.

[Tom Trees]

8mm according to HSE in Europe, and certainly not aluminium.
The standards used to suggest further, as per Roy Sutton's old video, but things have changed since.
Some stuff in the video (it's on YT) might be quite surprising to some, i.e Shaw guards for trench cuts, movable fence for ripping solid timbers, (dependant on blade height,)
crown guard being also required, and a pair of 450mm long push sticks minimum.
Jack Forsberg has some other useful videos on the matter, on his very old Wadkin saw.

I guess the Unisaw and the likes were first designed for some use during the war effort, or some reason like that?
Saying this, there has been some UK produced dodgy machines in-between the Wadkin or Robinson saws, and my old Startrite, or newer old Wadkins from around the same era...
like the older Multico's which have tilting tables instead!
so perhaps just took some ironing out to simplify things.
Could it be, there might have been some patients involved, stopping ye from getting the same?
I've not stumbled across any concrete answers to that, though I've not really looked either.
It would be interesting to know why.

Tom

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[Steven O Smith]

I do hand and power woodworking, blacksmithing and metal machining, hobbies all and at home. I was greatly amused when I had to fill out a form at my doctor's. One question was "is there anything dangerous in your home?". I asked if I could have extra pages.

[Rich Engelhardt]

I do hand and power woodworking, blacksmithing and metal machining, hobbies all and at home. I was greatly amused when I had to fill out a form at my doctor's. One question was "is there anything dangerous in your home?". I asked if I could have extra pages.

Next time list - toilet(s).

There were 40,000 toilet related accidents last year.
Compared to - 30,000 table saw related accidents.

[Edward Weber]

Next time list - toilet(s).

There were 40,000 toilet related accidents last year.
Compared to - 30,000 table saw related accidents.

Trying to be thorough, I looked up some stats.
PTI estimates that are approx 9.5 million tabesaws in use in the U.S.
There are approx between 30,000 and 40,000 TS accidents per year in the U.S. (Depending on your source)
A horrible statistic to be sure but from a strictly numbers perspective, that's only about 1/2 of a percent of users having accidents.
This also goes to why there aren't more safety standard on power tools, the numbers just don't justify it in many cases.
I certainly don't know where the tipping point is but less than 1% is not a strong position to bargain from.