A friend says I need a set of mortising chisels. I have always used bench chisels to cut mortises. Is there a real advantage. If so, I can justify more tools!
A friend says I need a set of mortising chisels. I have always used bench chisels to cut mortises. Is there a real advantage. If so, I can justify more tools!
Sounds like you don't need them you want them, but sometimes that wins , unfortunately.
I will say this, if you do "need", I don't think you need a set. Find out what would be the size you use most (probably 1/4" or 3/8") and get one. They do take a harder beating, specially pig stickers, and they can pry chips better. The thicker sides also help keep it straight, and it is nice to have a dedicated tool. All in all you sharpen less often this way. But again, the job can be done with bench chisels.
Just my thoughts.
/p
Sure there's an advantage. Morticing (sometimes called "firmer" chisels) are designed to have the tar beaten out of them with a big mallet. The kind of thing that would soon destroy the handle of a "standard bench chisel". So listen to your friend...
YM
(I hope that is enough justification....)
If you need more justification my Marples blue chip chisels ended up with the handles at 80 degrees or so to the blade, if your doing deep mortising and in harder woods then eventually you will probably ruin your bench chisels.
As posted before though just buy one as you need it, if working 3/4 stuff, then 1/4 inch will do to start, and don't forget you don't need shiny 0 degrees flat backs for this application, reasonably sharp should do it.
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Thanks for the info. Maybe I do want, instead of need. I think I will satisfy both sides by getting only the sizes I need. I just knew more chisels was the right answer.
"firmer chisels...are not the same as morticing chisels."
Point.
YM
Actually a "true" mortice chisel has a very massive "blade" and a "socketed" handle like these:
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=298
A "firmer" chisel has a blade that is somewhere in between that
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=243
and what would be called a "bench" chisel
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=295
"Firmer" chisels may have either a socketed or a tanged handle. The term is used rather loosely.....
YM
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True mortising chisels have a blade depth equal to or greater than their width. This varies from a square shape such as the Lie-Nielsen and I believe the Hirsch, to a rectangular shape such as the English style "pigsticker" chisels which are more properly refered to as oval bolstered mortising chisels. Mortising chisels tend to have less acute angles on the bevel grind, typically 30 to 35 degrees so that there is more meat behind the cutting edge to make it stand up better to the shock of pounding out a mortise. Most bench chisels and Firmers tend to have the bevel ground at 25 degrees and are far more subject to having their cutting edges dull and chip, even if a small and steeper micro bevel is used.
Mortising chisels have several advantages over Firmer and bench chisels for chopping a mortise. First and foremost is that the square or rectangular cross section helps keep the chisel sides square to the walls of the mortise, and after the first pass, the walls of the mortise help keep the chisel registered. This important attribute produces a clean and straight walled mortise with far less fussing and attention to chisel orientation. The added depth of the blade also helps when levering out the waste. For deep mortises in heavy timber, a millwrights chisel which is a sub-type of mortising chisel is most often used because of its longer length. While most mortising chisels are about 10" to 12" long, it is not unusual to see a millwrights chisel in the 15" to 18" range and even longer ones existed for specialist uses. While I have described the cross section of mortising chisels a either square or rectangular in depth, the best ones were slightly relieved at forging and were actually a very slight parallelogram.
Last edited by Dave Anderson NH; 03-08-2008 at 4:30 PM. Reason: misspelling correction
Dave Anderson
Chester, NH
To save money, you can easily use your regular bench chisels to cut mortises if you drill the majority of the waste first. Certainly if you want a set of mortise chisels go ahead and buy them. But if you only rarely cut mortises the drill first technique works very well.
I have a set of pigsticker mortise chisels but I mostly drill first and trim with my regular (LN) chisels.
Mike
[I'll also add a comment regarding something Dave Anderson posted. I sharpen my pigstickers to a 25* angle and then put a secondary bevel of 35* on them. The reason for the 25* primary bevel is to allow greater penetration with a blow. If you put a 35* primary bevel, the chisel will not penetrate as far on each blow.]
Last edited by Mike Henderson; 03-08-2008 at 5:02 PM.
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Hey come on Mike... we're trying to talk this guy into buying some more tools.... We almost got him and here you go all rational on us!
YM