I have the Hope Hollowing system and like that very well. I have the Hope 3/4 and 5/8 bars with carbide cutters. However I can't get to the shoulder very well with what I have. I have looked at Jordan and Jamieson, but didn't see the bars offered in 5/8. Trent Bosch offers some nice bars in 5/8 and should work fine. I am looking at HSS for the Bosch bars. Then there is Rolly Munro system a bit more, but have many good things. It appears that it could be configured to accommodate the shoulder and side areas. I would think the RM could be used in a system or with a handle but don't know. I'm thinking the carbide cutter as that system is basically catch free. The reason I want it to work in the system as I have a camera for the system. Would like any comments or if there are other bars to consider.