I stopped into HF the other day and picked up some of their F style clamps to try. While I was there I saw the 23g pinner they carry and since I've been considering trying one of these (hadn't decided what brand yet) I grabbed one. Picked up a box of 1" pins too. I tried it today, but since I didn't have anything specific to try it on I just grabbed a small scrap pc of QSWO. I just started shooting pins to see how far the cheap HF would put them into the oak, just basically playing. Wow, these pins went everywhere! I even had several horseshoe right back out 1/4" away. Since I've never had one of these before, I was rather surprised. I know the oak is hard, but is this typical of hardwoods in general? I know there's a lot better quality pinners out there, will these work any differently than the HF? Is there any difference in pin quality too? Thanks. Greg