The vast majority of my tools are woodworking related. But, I do have a socket wrench set (made in Taiwan and branded Mastercraft by Canadian Tire) and I did include it.Originally Posted by JayStPeter
The vast majority of my tools are woodworking related. But, I do have a socket wrench set (made in Taiwan and branded Mastercraft by Canadian Tire) and I did include it.Originally Posted by JayStPeter
If I'm getting Christian's point correct, it is a good point. Alot of tools (and other items) labeled made in USA need only meet certain requirements. Like Christian's Werschetsersauceandall, it means that just some of the parts and assembly must be done in the USA. For example, a few years back while many were badmouthing the import competitors, and praising Delta's USA made products, many of the parts were coming from other countries and some of the assembly was done here. Enough to meet those requirements. That USA machine might've been about one bolt away from being an import. So it's less straightforward than it appears.Originally Posted by Christian Aufreiter
Not judging the situation either way just saying that often you don't knoiw what you don't know.
Ken Waag
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Yep, that was basically my point. But you expressed it a lot better, of course.Originally Posted by Ken Waag
Christian
"On Wednesday, when the sky is blue,
And I have nothing else to do,
I sometimes wonder if it's true
That who is what and what is who."
(A.A. Milne, Winnie the Pooh)
Prompted by the recent thread http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?t=30002, I decided to revist my tool purchasing habits and see how things stack up 6 months after I last looked at them.
Here is my revised list (showing cost of tools by country) :
#1: Germany___26.2________(previous #1 with 25.6%)
#2: Canada____25.2________(previous #2 with 24.8%)
#3: USA_______14.4________(previous #4 with 12.7%)
#4: China______13.9________(previous #3 with 15.9%)
#5: Italy_______9.5________(previous #5 with 10.0%)
#6: Taiwan______4.1________(previous #6 with 3.9%)
#7: Japan_______2.2________(previous #7 with 2.0%)
#8: Sweden_____1.5________(previous #8 with 1.6%)
#9: Mexico______1.1________(previous #10 with 0.9%)
#10: UK__________0.6________(previous #11 with 0.6%)
#11: Thailand_____0.5________(previous #9 with 1.0%)
#12: France______0.1________ (no change)
#13 Korea_______0.1________ (no change)
Unknown____0.6___________(down from 0.8 because I found out where some tools were made)
Please observe that the USA, Mexico, and the UK have moved up in the list and that China and Thailand have moved down.
Based on some comments that others have made, I should add that I am reasonably confident that, with my tools, a high percentage of the total tool is made in the countries that I have listed. In a couple of cases I actually split the tool cost between sourcing countries.
Last edited by Frank Pellow; 01-25-2006 at 4:08 PM.
Frank, I'm afraid that I don't know the spread sheet formula to do it, but would it be possible to re-work the ranking based weighted by value? What I'm getting at is that you could have a large number of cheap items from one country, a just a few high-price items from another, and that 'information' wouldn't show up in your ranking. I'm just not sure how to do it in a valid, useful way...
Is there a statistician in the house?
Ir would be very easy for me to add a column which indicates the number of "tools" from each country. Would that give you what you are suggesting, Tom?Originally Posted by Tom Donalek
I think what he's suggesting is the percentage of total tool-investment dollars spent in each country.Originally Posted by Frank Pellow
Yoga class makes me feel like a total stud, mostly because I'm about as flexible as a 2x4.
"Design"? Possibly. "Intelligent"? Sure doesn't look like it from this angle.
We used to be hunter gatherers. Now we're shopper borrowers.
The three most important words in the English language: "Front Towards Enemy".
The world makes a lot more sense when you remember that Butthead was the smart one.
You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too much ammo.
How is that any different than what I put into my list.Originally Posted by Lee DeRaud
Italy
Germany
Taiwan
China
Japan
England
I thought (and so did Tom apparently) that the percentages in your list was in terms of "numbers of tools", not "cost of tools". If it reflects the purchase prices, you're right, you've already done it.Originally Posted by Frank Pellow
Yoga class makes me feel like a total stud, mostly because I'm about as flexible as a 2x4.
"Design"? Possibly. "Intelligent"? Sure doesn't look like it from this angle.
We used to be hunter gatherers. Now we're shopper borrowers.
The three most important words in the English language: "Front Towards Enemy".
The world makes a lot more sense when you remember that Butthead was the smart one.
You can never be too rich, too thin, or have too much ammo.
Frank, did you know 68% of the people polled don't believe in surveys? 82% believe statistics are just made up 73% of the time and have no better than a 50/50 chance of being 100% correct most of the time.Originally Posted by Frank Pellow
Oh...
Tiawan
China
Germany
Canada
USA
Funkytown
Every deed plants a seed.
No - I think that this is what I'm thinking: Let's say you have 10 tools from Blueland each worth $100 and 4 tools from Redistan each worth $500. Your straight 'number of tools' ranking would be:Originally Posted by Frank Pellow
#1 10 Blueland = 71.4%
#2 4 Redistan = 28.6%
But your 'value' ranking would be
#1 $2000 Redistan = 66.7%
#2 $1000 Blueland = 33.3%
See what I mean? I guess that I'm thinking about the "made in the USA/North America" tool discussions and I'm curious about where our bucks/loonies are going. I should probably go tabulate my own stuff, but given that you have all the raw data in front of you, I thought I would ask.
Now that I've thought it through a bit, here's what I would do if I had your spreadsheet in front of me: 1) sort the rows by 'country of origin', 2) Sum dollar values for each country, 3) make new table with 'country' and corresponding total dollar value, and 4) complie ranking and percentage of 'value' by 'country'. I know I'm being a pain in asking this, so you're very welcome to use your time more productively than doing this! I'm just suspecting that the ranking would be different, and I'm curious about precisely how...
The percentages in my list are based upon cost of tools.Originally Posted by Lee DeRaud
Last edited by Frank Pellow; 01-24-2006 at 6:34 PM.
Frank,
Your post got me thinking so I did a quick survey myself. My percentages are base upon total value percentages. Just to note I included my phase converter (Kay) and my cutters heads (Schmidt) which are mostly insert type and cost me a couple of bucks!
Italy - 68%
USA - 16%
Austria - 8%
Germany - 6%
Tiawan/China - 2%
There may be some others or the percentages my shift a bit because it is a quick survey where the majority of my shop is included.