Sawstop Patent Ending ?

[Edwin Santos]

What the SCM offering? The Felder model relies on cameras and comes in at around $100K for the saw. I think that's outside the reach of most people here.

Are you thinking of the Altendorf? My understanding of the Felder system is that it works by electromagnetic field surrounding the blade. The Altendorf uses the optical system.

[Dan Howell]

I own a SS. I have owned other brands over the years. When I decided to buy a new saw, I looked at all the major brands. The decision came down to me getting on in years, and and interest in my grandkids wanting to learn some woodworking. That made the decision for me. With that said, I would love to see other companies either develop their own tech or use the SS tech.

[Ray Newman]

I often think that impetus behind the Delta Uni-saw redesign was to incorporate future SawStop or a SawStop clone technology.

[Marc Fenneuff]

I often think that impetus behind the Delta Uni-saw redesign was to incorporate future SawStop or a SawStop clone technology.

The inability to add a riving knife to the traditional cabinet saws is what caused the design changes. Tough to implement with a pivoting arbor.

[Edward Weber]

I followed this topic pretty closely over the years and one conclusion that I came to is, that while SS did have a positive impact on safety, in number of digits saved.
There's no way to know how much better things could have been with some healthy competition.
It's hard to boast that your system is the safest, if there is no competition due to you impenetrable web of patents.
There have been plenty of other systems developed that in testing, have the same level of safety, without demolishing the blade.
If and when, the SS patents expire, the consumer just might benefit from more, possibly better choices when it comes to safety.

[roger wiegand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIYx7aA8I-I&t=256s

Here's a demo video of the SCM system. It may be the Altendorf technology, I don't know. The hot dog part of the demo is about at 4 minutes in. It's video based. Yes, it doesn't look like a cheap saw they're showing it on. OTOH, I'd love to have one.

The narration is in Italian, but the fellow speaks slowly and clearly enough that I'm almost getting it. Gives me at least a little hope that the many, many hours I've put into trying to learn how to ask where the facilities are in Florence haven't all gone to waste.

[Kent A Bathurst]

..,,,,, haven't all gone to waste.

Cue the rim-shot

[Michael Burnside]

I own a SS. I have owned other brands over the years. When I decided to buy a new saw, I looked at all the major brands. The decision came down to me getting on in years, and and interest in my grandkids wanting to learn some woodworking. That made the decision for me. With that said, I would love to see other companies either develop their own tech or use the SS tech.

Agreed. I think my Powermatic equipment is as good if not better built than my SS. If they came out with something, I'd probably ditch the SS and go team Gold for all the major tools in the shop.

My bet is on Harvey though. Those guys seem to be big innovators in the woodworking world and make some really nice stuff too. Maybe they'll come up with something?

[Andrew Hughes]

The Altendorf saw looks great and it might save a finger or two but will cost a arm or leg to own one.

[Kendall Scheier]

The Altendorf saw looks great and it might save a finger or two but will cost a arm or leg to own one.

love that one!

[Patty Hann]

The Altendorf saw looks great and it might save a finger or two but will cost a arm or leg to own one.

Give up the leg.... the arm is much more useful in the shop

[Myles Moran]

Give up the leg.... the arm is much more useful in the shop

I'm sure some of the woodturners would be happy to help me with the new peg leg too.

[Rod Sheridan]

What the SCM offering? The Felder model relies on cameras and comes in at around $100K for the saw. I think that's outside the reach of most people here.

Also I agree we are unlikely to see much price difference. You can see that with the pricing for track saws, or how the Bosch version added about $800 to what was a direct copy of their regular job site saw.

Hi Andrew, the Felder system does not rely on cameras, Altendorf’s does.

Felder, like SawStop relies on blade contact to initiate the safety system.

Both Felder and Altendorf simply require a reset command to return the saw to initial setup.

Regards, Rod

[Andrew Hughes]

I'm sure some of the woodturners would be happy to help me with the new peg leg too.

The IFW would look like a pirates convention.

[Rich Konopka]

[I]Patent expiration (2021).

Thanks .. it is a really good summation of the SawStop technology. It’s interesting that the inventor was a patent attorney.